Danny Ferry - GM of the Year

Pula_86 · Post #1 » by **Pula_86** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:22 am

Mods,

I am a frustrated Cavs fan who has never been a fan of Danny Ferry. The recent signings indicate that Ferry intends to hold my beloved Cavs cap situation hostage and prevent us from winning regardless if Lebron stays or goes. That he signed Larry Hughes, Big Z, Drew Gooden, Daniel Gibson, and now Anderson Varejao to outrageous contracts and has continually drafted mediocre only proves my point. What has really impressed me about Ferry is his ability to not address any of the Cavs need while hopelessly overbidding against himself in the FA market. For a team that was so lucky to get the #1 pick to select Lebron, Ferry has wasted the opportunities. Lebron deserves better and so does the city of Cleveland.

This is not a personal attack against Danny Ferry. I enjoyed watching him as a basketball player and he seems like a good person. However, basketball is a business and his moves do not show the acumen neccessary to win. It is not often the basketball gods give you a gift such as Lebron James. It boggles the mind that someone can build a team so poorly around a player this good.

Post #2 » by **Rise Against** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:27 am

Relax. I was surprised at the contract that Andy got as well.. In terms of talent, Varejao is overpaid. However, he is more than just an energy guy. He can do it well on both ends of the floor and as long as this moves helps us win a ring, then that's what we needed to do. Losing Varejao would be a step back.

hondaaccord · Post #3 » by **hondaaccord** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:31 am

Losing LeBron James to the Knicks because you guys have no supporting cast would be a step backwards too.

Gordon Bombay · Post #4 » by **Gordon Bombay** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:33 am

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jcldallas24 · Post #5 » by **jcldallas24** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:36 am

Man i taught our GM was stupid Ferry makes him look like einstein. He's getting paid about three times as much as he should be payed im talking about Sideshow bob.

Pula_86 · Post #6 » by **Pula_86** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:39 am

The ramifications for the future are telling even if Lebron stays. Good teams just do not add dead weight contracts. That the Cavs had 3 (Wally, Big Ben, and Big Z) is astounding. Now the Cavs are adding Varejao's dead weight contract. Name a player that does what Varejao does that makes more money. I can only name Erick Dampier in terms of post players. Even Samuel Dalembert gives you a bit more upside. This contract will inhibit the Cavs making other future moves that may lead to a NBA title.

Look at the most successful teams. The Lakers worst contract is Luke Walton and he still gives value. The Spurs don't really have any bad contracts. Lewis is probably a little overpaid on Orlando and Vince may be as well, but it is not egregious. The Celtics also don't have any bad contracts based on production. The Blazers have their guys signed for reasonable amounts as well.

This is not a one bad move freak out. There has been a trend of judgment errors by Ferry when negotiating contracts. He has proven he does not know how to build a team.

Benedict_Boozer · Post #7 » by **Benedict_Boozer** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:40 am

Ferry is adept at making trades and I thought prior to this deal with Andy had learned his lesson with overpaying. The $ amount itself isn't the huge issue, the problem is the length of the deal IMO. It will be very difficult to move, who will want to be locked into paying Varejao $8-9MM a year for that long?

I want to see the exact parameters of the contract before passing any more judgment. Maybe it is incentive laden or has built in team option..

DubaLakers · Post #8 » by **DubaLakers** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:42 am

That is a bad contract for AV, wow, the kid tries hard, but FTW didn't Ferry go after LO if they were gonna dish out that much cash?

Pula_86 · Post #9 » by **Pula_86** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:46 am

Since the Cavs are over the cap they can only offer the MLE to Odom. They would need to sign and trade to work out a deal. A move the Lakers would not be willing to make. I'm glad the consensus is that this deal is bad. To many times as Cleveland fans we think that losing just happens to us or that is is bad luck. The problem is that we are far too loyal to those who don't deserve loyalty.

quagmire1234 · Post #10 » by **quagmire1234** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 4:07 am

Varejao's contract is worth $42.5 million over the six years, and the final year is only partially guaranteed. Incentives could push the total amount to $50 million.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4315370

This is a reasonable contract.

Gordon Bombay · Post #11 » by **Gordon Bombay** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 4:10 am

quagmire1234 wrote:Varejao's contract is worth $42.5 million over the six years, and the final year is only partially guaranteed. Incentives could push the total amount to $50 million.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4315370

This is a reasonable contract.

its still a six year deal for a very limited offensive player

Pula_86 · Post #12 » by **Pula_86** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 4:10 am

It's not reasonable when you're not bidding against yourself.

BTW-Why is it that everyone thinks that Lebron is heading to New York if he leaves Cleveland? Playing with Wade in Miami or with Lee and Harris in New Jersey is much more appealing than New York. Get over yourselves Knick fans.

Roger Murdock · Post #13 » by **Roger Murdock** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 4:14 am

Whats the knicks roster going to be next year anyways. Without a draft pick next year, or David Lee, that team has 0 good young talented players.

Pula_86 · Post #14 » by **Pula_86** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 4:18 am

I'm not saying the Cavs roster is looking great (it isn't), but the Knicks roster is speculative at best. Wade probably stays in Miami while Bosh may stay in Toronto and may be joined by Steve Nash. The only player that may move to New York is Amare and that is not even certain.

JDaWg1000 · Post #15 » by **JDaWg1000** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 4:21 am

Roger Murdock wrote:Whats the knicks roster going to be next year anyways. Without a draft pick next year, or David Lee, that team has 0 good young talented players.

Lebron wont leave, and heres why, in order to attract him to a team with no 1st round pick and no David Lee, they are going to need to sign another star, however in order to get that star they need Lebron

for example, Knicks offer Lebron a contract, he looks at the team and says get another star, so LBJ waits and while he does D-Wade goes back to MIA, Bosh goes back to Toronto.

or another example They go to Wade offer him a deal, he says get me LBJ, so Wade waits and whike he does LBJ signs with us Bosh with Toronto

so i guess its kinda a catch 22

DubaLakers · Post #16 » by **DubaLakers** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 4:22 am

He's a 5M a year player max and he gets' 7-8.3 M?

in comparison D Fish, Sasha Vujasuck, Luck Walton all get 5M, AV isn't better than D Fish, he isn't better than Luck, luck would get way more time on CLE, he is better than sasha.

Roger Murdock · Post #17 » by **Roger Murdock** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 4:26 am

DubaLakers wrote:He's a 5M a year player max and he gets' 7-8.3 M?

in comparison D Fish, Sasha Vujasuck, Luck Walton all get 5M, AV isn't better than D Fish, he isn't better than Luck, luck would get way more time on CLE, he is better than sasha.

you are absolutely crazy if you dont think he is better than Luke. IMO he is easily better than fisher as well.

Pula_86 · Post #18 » by **Pula_86** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 4:27 am

I forgot about that Sasha contract. That is by far Mitch's worst contract signing. I agree that Luke gives the Lakers a lot of intangibles and I don't personally think his contract is bad. Varejao is a 4-5 million per year player whose value has been inflated because of all this "potential." We know what type of player Andy is now so there's no reason to hope for improvement. Pay him what he is worth.

Roscoe Sheed · Post #19 » by **Roscoe Sheed** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 4:29 am

DubaLakers wrote:He's a 5M a year player max and he gets' 7-8.3 M?

in comparison D Fish, Sasha Vujasuck, Luck Walton all get 5M, AV isn't better than D Fish, he isn't better than Luck, luck would get way more time on CLE, he is better than sasha.

As much as I don't like Sideshow Bob, he is definitely a better player than Walton.

quagmire1234 · Post #20 » by **quagmire1234** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 4:31 am

Gordon Bombay wrote:
quagmire1234 wrote:Varejao's contract is worth $42.5 million over the six years, and the final year is only partially guaranteed. Incentives could push the total amount to $50 million.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4315370

This is a reasonable contract.

its still a six year deal for a very limited offensive player

I am not sure what we are complaining about. If he does not unlock the incentive, his pay for this season will barely exceed his the player option, which we ideally wanted him to opt in for...

But on another note, let us hope that he does pick up the incentive. I am sure the incentive will require him to increase his productivity beyond his current stats, so may I ask who would not want this to occur. This means that he must pick up his offensive game. Who wants a roster in which players fail to actualize their potential?