varejao

[cedric76]

i dont get it,ur management give him a big paycheck then ur coach is cutting down his minutes

could u tell me more

Z and Shaq are expiering next year,so he should be a corner stone ,am i right?

[heathmalc]

i dont get it,ur management give him a big paycheck then ur coach is cutting down his minutes

could u tell me more

Z and Shaq are expiering next year,so he should be a corner stone ,am i right?

It depends on how you look at it:

Varejao is an "energy" guy. He will do the same things from the bench that he does when he starts. So, is it in the best interest of the team to have a 20-year old PF (Hickson) on the bench, playing with less talented players, or in the starting line-up where he may develop quicker, and possibly make Varejao expendable?

I think if Hickson continues to score in double figures, and starts rebounding better, and gets better defensively, there is a legitimate chance that the Cavaliers may trade Varejao, who isn't exactly "best buddies" with LeBron.

[TheOUTLAW]

The problem was more about Hickson than it was Varejao as Heathmalk stated

[CzBoobie]

I think if Hickson continues to score in double figures, and starts rebounding better, and gets better defensively, there is a legitimate chance that the Cavaliers may trade Varejao, who isn't exactly "best buddies" with LeBron.

Varejao has close to untradeable contract. Anyway, where did you hear he is not "buddy" with LeBron? Secret sources?

[TheOUTLAW]

I don't know where anyone gets that Varejao isn't friends with LeBron. Just look at just about any time the Cavs are celebrating something, Varejao and LeBron are the first to hug.

I don't however think that Varejao is even close to untradeable. Even now, he still does things for the team that don't show up in the scoreboard.

[bcortell]

It's simple.. Put JJ in the starting lineup where most of his mistakes and deficiencies can be masked by the other starters. AV has played with Z before, so having them come off the bench together should help them. Heath's full of it when he says AV and Bron aren't best buddies- they get along great.

[CzBoobie]

I don't however think that Varejao is even close to untradeable. Even now, he still does things for the team that don't show up in the scoreboard.

I'm not saying he is not valuable to our franchise but his contract is too long, too big and his numbers too pedestrian to think someone would like to trade for him now.

[TheOUTLAW]

The only reason that I think that people wouldn't trade for him now is because so many teams have hopes of signing a big free agent for 2010. However he's alot more valuable to teams than his numbers show. Sure mst of the posters on here lack the sophistication or basketball knowledge to see what he does for a team but that doesn't mean that management wouldn't be interested in a 7 footer with the quickness agility of a Varejao. `

[Triumph36]

It's simple.. Put JJ in the starting lineup where most of his mistakes and deficiencies can be masked by the other starters. AV has played with Z before, so having them come off the bench together should help them. Heath's full of it when he says AV and Bron aren't best buddies- they get along great.

Just wanted to add that JJ would obviously develop better/get more opportunities playing with the starters as well.

And /thread.

[Rise Against]

I don't understand why the Cavs would look to trade Varejao, whether Hickson plays better or not. We did offer him an extension during the summer for a reason.. Better yet, who would be our backup 4?

[Baseline Runner]

We don't need to trade Varejao. Varejao can play PF or C which means he can still get 30 minutes a night off the bench. I'm not sure how Hickson is going to work out but Varejao has always been good off the bench.

[vct33]

i dont get it,ur management give him a big paycheck then ur coach is cutting down his minutes

could u tell me more

Z and Shaq are expiering next year,so he should be a corner stone ,am i right?

Corner stone? Yikes! Good thing the Egyptians (or aliens) didn't use corner stones like that. The pyramids would have collapsed 5000 years ago.

[vct33]

Varejao has close to untradeable contract.

I agree with this. Varejao had been a free agent twice in two years and hasn't even gotten a sniff. Everyone else in the league knows what he is and that's not a guy who makes $40M over 5 years.

[TheOUTLAW]

The first time he was a free agent there were quite a few teams that were interested in him. However, they also knew that we'd have matched any reasonable deal. The second time we signed him before teams got around to negotiating players at his level.

[vct33]

The second time we signed him before teams got around to negotiating players at his level.

By "at his level" do you mean BUMS?

[Pula_86]

When Varejao was first a free agent, the teams that were mainly interested in him were Dallas and Charlotte. Not exactly teams that have a good track record of good player personnel decisions. The second time around the only teams interested were Cleveland and Charlotte.

I may not be a Mike Brown fan, but I think he's realized what Danny Ferry does not. Anderson Varejao is bad. He is a backup and doesn't deserve starters money. When you describe a guy as an "energy" guy he is not someone that is worthy of the MLE. Energy guys are a dime a dozen across the league. Varejao is at best an average defender who cannot defend athletic PFs. His rebounding is erratic, he brings no shot blocking ability, and has no offensive game. I base my evaluation on Varejao on what he actually does.

When I've posted this before, others have defended Ferry by saying that all big men are overpaid. In reality, only poorly managed teams are overpaying big men. Especially ones that don't really bring a distinct skill set to your team or fit a need. Arguments that the Cavs need Varejao because he is a warm body are unconvincing and lack a rationale basis. Unfortunately, we will not be able to move his contract. It is not just the amount of money, but the number of years on his deal.

What we can do is package up Big Z for an asset and hopefully sign a good backup center who is released after trade. Ferry can turn this thing around, but he needs to pull the trigger this year. Ferry may want to consider dangling Shaq's contract out there as well. I think a deeper Cavs team would be better. With Delonte's troubles, the Cavs could use another SG/SF and a tough, athletic, player on the interior who has some offensive game.

[landphil]

What we can do is package up Big Z for an asset and hopefully sign a good backup center who is released after trade. Ferry can turn this thing around, but he needs to pull the trigger this year. Ferry may want to consider dangling Shaq's contract out there as well. I think a deeper Cavs team would be better. With Delonte's troubles, the Cavs could use another SG/SF and a tough, athletic, player on the interior who has some offensive game.

So you want us to:

1) trade our backup C in Z
2) trade our starting C in Shaq
3) 1 and 2 somehow result in better depth?
4) oh yeh and we should find a 2/3 who has some offensive game, tough, athletic and who can play the interior...at the 2/3 position. Did you have anyone in mind for this or was this just a christmas wish list?

And you dont think Ferry has pulled the trigger before this year?! Uh basically our entire team is new, resulting from Ferry pulling the trigger about every chance he gets. Shaq trade, Delonte trade, Mo williams trade, Parker and Moon free agents...thats a pretty long track record of "pulling the trigger"

Andy is decent off the bench and he is decent as a starter. I think the best option would be to find a deal for a 4, deal Z in some way for a competent 4 who can either start or provide offense off the bench, and then have Andy as your backup C behind shaq until you can possibly bring Z back if you want. That way we could go small as we have done before with Lebron at the 4 or we could go big with 3 guys over 6'10" at the 3/4/5 (putting that lineup out there would only work in very extreme cases but you could try it I guess...actually it sounds crazy nevermind) But you would have more depth that way and you could see if Andy is ever going to work as a Center and let JJ get minutes still.

[vct33]

When Varejao was first a free agent, the teams that were mainly interested in him were Dallas and Charlotte. Not exactly teams that have a good track record of good player personnel decisions. The second time around the only teams interested were Cleveland and Charlotte.

I may not be a Mike Brown fan, but I think he's realized what Danny Ferry does not. Anderson Varejao is bad. He is a backup and doesn't deserve starters money. When you describe a guy as an "energy" guy he is not someone that is worthy of the MLE. Energy guys are a dime a dozen across the league. Varejao is at best an average defender who cannot defend athletic PFs. His rebounding is erratic, he brings no shot blocking ability, and has no offensive game. I base my evaluation on Varejao on what he actually does.

When I've posted this before, others have defended Ferry by saying that all big men are overpaid. In reality, only poorly managed teams are overpaying big men. Especially ones that don't really bring a distinct skill set to your team or fit a need. Arguments that the Cavs need Varejao because he is a warm body are unconvincing and lack a rationale basis. Unfortunately, we will not be able to move his contract. It is not just the amount of money, but the number of years on his deal.

What we can do is package up Big Z for an asset and hopefully sign a good backup center who is released after trade. Ferry can turn this thing around, but he needs to pull the trigger this year. Ferry may want to consider dangling Shaq's contract out there as well. I think a deeper Cavs team would be better. With Delonte's troubles, the Cavs could use another SG/SF and a tough, athletic, player on the interior who has some offensive game.

I almost never agree with any post 100% but this is as close as it gets.

[SportsInfoBar]

I wish we would have a dime, so we could have gotten a dozen energy guys the last few games.

Some people just look at PPG, RPG, and the stats...Andy is the ultimate glue guy, even Lebron said it himself, "Andy just makes winning plays that don't always show up in the box score", he is a great team defender, he picks the energy of the entire team up when he is flying around, is very good around the basket, sure he lacks a jump shot, we really don't need that from him though. We have Plenty of scorers on this team.

When was the last time we have given up over 100 points FOUR games in a row? These last few games are PROVING how valuable Andy is to this team (and how valuable a healthy Delonte is) Last year we score 91 and we had a great chance to win.

Andy is absolutely worth what he got paid.

[dennis00]

I loved what Varejao did with Dwyane Wade.

Clearly you are just here to troll