Mike Brown's Rotations?

Post #1 » by **infinite11285** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:25 pm

I have some concerns:

1) Where has Jamario been?

2) Assuming that Jamison will start at some point, what is Mike Brown's big man roation going to be? Keep in mind Powe will be back as well.

Post #2 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:36 pm

Even with Powe, we are in need of additional Size. Man, we really need Z back.

Post #3 » by **Rise Against** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:42 pm

I wonder.. What the hell happened to that tall lineup that consisted of LeBron, Jawad, and Moon? That was one of the more effective lineups we have used and now we are resistant to it.

Post #4 » by **infinite11285** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:46 pm

Exile23 wrote:I wonder.. What the hell happened to that tall lineup that consisted of LeBron, Jawad, and Moon? That was one of the more effective lineups we have used and now we are resistant to it.

Exactly! It's almost as if Mike Brown forgot what rotations were successful. Since acquiring Jamison Moon and Jawad haven't seen the floor. I believe it would have been smarter to have Mo come off the bench post injury rather then thrusting him into the starting 5 just to stink it up!

Benedict_Boozer · Post #5 » by **Benedict_Boozer** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:28 pm

With Mike Brown it is baby steps.

He finally made 1 change to start Jamison in the 2nd half and get him some play calls.

Expect in the next couple games he will clean up his guard and wing rotation again.

prekazi · Post #6 » by **prekazi** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:00 am

I just want to slap his potato head for once.

mcfly1204 · Post #7 » by **mcfly1204** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 5:13 pm

I was surprised to see Hot 'wad get minutes over Moon yesterday. I think Gibson is the issue. I also do not think Mo is 100% at this point. I think they will cut Gibson's minutes and get back to the big lineups.

It is probably just me, but I never think of Jamison as a SF, nor do I really want him to play the SF spot. If people think he is a poor defender at the 4, won't he get torched guarding 3's?

tidho · Post #8 » by **tidho** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 5:30 pm

I think Brown needs to lock into the guys that are going to get guarenteed minutes - Shaq, LeBron, Jamison, and Mo - then use the rest as what they are...role players. That means changing rotations to exploit match ups.

If Pietrus is too quick for Parker, then get Moon on the floor. If Chauncey it too big for Boobie to handle, then get West on the floor.

LeBron's game has been a little off too lately. His jumper, and turnovers are doing him in. Put Mo, Delonte, Jamison, and Shaq out there with him and have him play off the ball a little. Delonte can drive and dish too.

Furrski · Post #9 » by **Furrski** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 5:45 pm

tidho wrote:If Pietrus is too quick for Parker, then get Moon on the floor. If Chauncey it too big for Boobie to handle, then get West on the floor.

BINGO. I know he is infatuated :kiss

with Boobie Gibson, but he's GOT to use his players for the very reason they are on this roster. Parker is looking like a real liability, and I'm not hopeful he'll be able to crank it up at least half a notch in the playoffs.

GameOver25 · Post #10 » by **GameOver25** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:11 pm

Being a Magic fan and on the outside looking in, not having Big Z really hurts your frontcourt. Varajeo, at least against us can't hold it down at the center position against D12.

Niko23 · Post #11 » by **Niko23** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:09 pm

GameOver25 wrote:Being a Magic fan and on the outside looking in, not having Big Z really hurts your frontcourt. Varajeo, at least against us can't hold it down at the center position against D12.

Cannot argue with that. I hope bringing back Z and Powe will give us multiple looks to throw at D12. I thought Andy did OK with the assignment. But for a defensive team, they really have no idea how to double a big guy. You have to cat and mouse the post. Cavs seem to double way to early or way to late.

mcfly1204 · Post #12 » by **mcfly1204** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:42 pm

Niko23 wrote:
GameOver25 wrote:Being a Magic fan and on the outside looking in, not having Big Z really hurts your frontcourt. Varajeo, at least against us can't hold it down at the center position against D12.

Cannot argue with that. I hope bringing back Z and Powe will give us multiple looks to throw at D12. I thought Andy did OK with the assignment. But for a defensive team, they really have no idea how to double a big guy. You have to cat and mouse the post. Cavs seem to double way to early or way to late.

I don't understand why they didn't try Hickson on Dwight. Hickson should be a decent post defender given he is strong and pretty quick. Would the 2 inches he'd be giving up be that much of an issue?

vct33 · Post #13 » by **vct33** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:47 pm

The rotation will be tinkered with a lot the rest of the regular season. I'm really only concerned with the playoff rotation. Ideally, Z will be back and Powe will look like the guy who was putting up double-doubles at the end of last season. If these things happen, here is my playoff rotation:

Mo Williams / Delonte West
Anthony Parker / Delonte West
LeBron James / Antawn Jamison
Antawn Jamison / Leon Powe / Anderson Varejao
Shaquille Oneal / Zydrunas Ilgauskas / Anderson Varejao

Post #14 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:53 pm

You are kidding yourself if you think that Varejao will fall that low in the rotation. He was the only big we had that was getting around 30 mpg. Unless Powe is completely phenomenal there is virtually no way that he is going to be ahead of Varejao.

vct33 · Post #15 » by **vct33** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:15 pm

TheOUTLAW wrote:You are kidding yourself if you think that Varejao will fall that low in the rotation. He was the only big we had that was getting around 30 mpg. Unless Powe is completely phenomenal there is virtually no way that he is going to be ahead of Varejao.

It's probably moot because I doubt Powe will be 100% at all this season if ever again. However, when he is 100%, I take him over AV all day long. Also, I think Z should be the first 5 off the bench but AV should get more total floor time between 4 & 5.

Pula_86 · Post #16 » by **Pula_86** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:17 am

I think this is a bit of an overreaction. Any team who brings in a new player has a number of games it takes to adjust to that change. The good news for the Cavs is that they are still in first place and have plenty of time to get this thing straight. Their only bad loss was against Charlotte. That will happen at times regardless of the trade. The other two losses were to Orlando and a hot Nuggets team. In both games, the Cavs were competitive and had a chance to win it at the end. Unless we start to see a major slide, we have on reason for concern. Lets wait 20 games and then see how this team is looking. Keep in mind that the goal is a championship and not the best regular season record (Phoenix Suns-Dallas Maverick award).

Billtb · Post #17 » by **Billtb** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:45 am

Varejao gets no credit, and he really doesn't look like he knows what he's doing on the court, but I was surprised to see on ABC the other day he has the 3rd highest +/- in the league. Lebron #1, Kobe #2, then AV! He has +300 and some points. That's solid.

bogut6 · Post #18 » by **bogut6** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:06 am

1 word: Logjam

Post #19 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:01 am

1 more word: flexibility

tidho · Post #20 » by **tidho** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:44 pm

I don't think you can have a logjam with this roster because not enough of them are full time 2 way players.

You just have to be willing to deviate from your normal rotation to maximize match ups.
Mike Brown is a creature of habit, and in some ways that's a good thing. What I see him doing too often is forcing his rotations without consideration of the opposition. Then when its not working he'll make a change. What I don't see him doing though is recognizing when it won't work and not doing it to begin with.

Like i mentioned before, Parker can't guard Pietrus, but Moon can. Boobie can't guard Billups, but West can. Andy struggled with Howard...maybe it was time to dust off Darnell Jackson and have him wear him down for 3 or 4 fouls, its not like Howard is a great foul shooter.

You could make a case that Brown shouldn't allow the opposition to force his hand but with our offense always running through LeBron we don't get much leverage out of and mismatches our rotation may create.