Jackson Calls Ilgauskas Situation 'Sham', 'Charades'

[BIG EDDIE]

Phil Jackson once again was critical of the NBA's loophole that allowed Cleveland to deal away Zyrunas Ilgauskas for Antawn Jamison.

"It's something that's going to have to be addressed in the next (collective bargaining agreement),'' Jackson said of the rule in its current form. "It's a sham of sorts to make that kind of trade. You're not really trading a player. You're just trading a money situation. It's a sham, and I think it's a disrespect for the league and the players to be involved in this type of a thing.''

Jackson had expressed disapproval last week about the deal, calling it a "weird situation.''

Jackson said perhaps the rule should be changed to make it a waiting period of multiple months before a player could return to the team that dealt him.

"You only have a rule about not being able to trade the player after you signed him in free agency until mid-December after you signed him in August,'' Jackson said of the rule that calls for a player signed as a free agent during the offseason not being eligible to be traded until Dec. 15 or 90 days, whichever is later. "Maybe something like that could be instituted where it's two or three months ... if it's the same team. Otherwise, it's just kind of charades.''

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Jackson is right about that and I agree that it's not fair, not right to allow such "trades', however...Phil Jackson is not the right person to say that, after "trading" for Pau Gasol a couple of years ago. In my eyes that was kinda the same thing.

Any thoughts?

[Mezotarkus]

Jackson needs to shut up. He didn't seem to have a problem when Jerry West handed him Pau Gasol.

[prekazi]

Just STFU and stop bitchin' goddamn. You have 10 rings, you literally cheated to get Pau Gasol yet you're still whining about every single thing.

Man...

[damitro]

What's a sham is having someone with strong Laker ties become the director of basketball operations for the Memphis Grizzlies and then trade their teams best player to the lakers for essentially nothing and then resign soon there after sighting 'he's not a youngster anymore'...to me that is more of a sham then what the cavs did. What jerry West did was VERY unethical. At the end of the day washington still gets Z's cap relief. The Cavs didn't do anything that was against the NBA regulations and anything that any other team couldn't do.

GO RAPTORS!

[Ballah]

Its a stupid situation that's perfectly within the rules. So screw him, we don't have former players in other organizations handing us all star centers.

[Roll Tide Roll]

He is scared of the Cavs

[TonyMontana]

What's a sham is having someone with strong Laker ties become the director of basketball operations for the Memphis Grizzlies and then trade their teams best player to the lakers for essentially nothing and then resign soon there after sighting 'he's not a youngster anymore'...to me that is more of a sham then what the cavs did. What jerry West did was VERY unethical. At the end of the day washington still gets Z's cap relief. The Cavs didn't do anything that was against the NBA regulations and anything that any other team couldn't do.

GO RAPTORS!

Do you even know what your talking about or do you have any clue how trades work?? You have a very limited lack of knowledge when it comes to trades and that goes for the other posters who also brought Jerry West into this conversation.

First of all Jerry West had left the league and Memphis A YEAR AND A HALF before Paus trade and retired from the NBA. So I dont know how he had any hand in Paus trade. To top it off you want to bring Jerry Wests's ethics when the guy is the franchises LOGO.

Tell me something, do you or others have any proof that Jerry West was involved in Paus trade???
Anything, or your just posting nonsense?? I would love to see one of you guys provide a link or anything remotely close that proves your accusations.......... LOVE TO SEE IT.

Second and this has been covered many many many times, the Pau trade actually worked out for Memphis, since they did get what they were looking for, WHICH included Kwames 9 mil AND A legit quality center in Marc as well as draft picks and money.

If you really knew how trades worked and why Memphis made this trade then you and others wouldnt be sitting here and posting insults and falsely accusing Jerry West of your fabricated claims.

Memphis gave up Pau to get Marc, draft picks and cap space. That was their main focus OHHHH and the fact that Pau wanted out of Memphis for a longgggggggggggg time.After trading Darko for Zach Randolph via Q-Rich, the basically it ended up with Pau and Darko gone Pau + Darko for Marc + Z-Bo + 3 first round draft picks. And that Zak which he ended up as an Allstar and Marc which is now a top 10 center in the league.

See.............

By the way I didnt see anyone complaining about R.Js trade. In fact Popp was one of the most outspoken coaches that was crying and complaining about the Pau trade but a year later he got R.J for what????


I also agree with Phil Jacksons remark, it is a shame. Yet most of you guys are sitting here and complaining about the Pau trade when you guys got Jamison etc and Z back for what???

[darylkris]

I also agree with Phil Jacksons remark, it is a shame. Yet most of you guys are sitting here and complaining about the Pau trade when you guys got Jamison etc and Z back for what???

a VERY LATE first round pick i believe

[Rise Against]

I fail to see what the Cavs done wrong... If it was any other team besides the Cavs, no one would be saying anything.

[L&H_05]

Phil Jackson is a sham... One of the biggest frauds in sports IMO...

[delonte]

Wow Phil really is an idiot. not only does he cry over the refs, but hes calling out other trades?

The pau gasol trade was the worst in NBA history..

[TheOUTLAW]

I fail to see what the Cavs done wrong... If it was any other team besides the Cavs, no one would be saying anything.

Jackson is just being a crybaby and frankly all this whining is kinda annoying. The Cavs have done nothing wrong at all. Should the Wiz be prohibited from buying out a player or trying to improve their financial position? It's just stupid to even argue. The Cavs traded a guy that the Wiz think they are in a better position without than they are with him. Not to mention Z has got to be allowed to go as a free agent anywhere he wants.

[landphil]

To top it off you want to bring Jerry Wests's ethics when the guy is the franchises LOGO.

Thats has nothing to do with anything...his ethics really dont have any effect on whether he is the LOGO. Especially since that was a decision made over 40 years ago so it literally makes no sense to make that argument...

Tell me something, do you or others have any proof that Jerry West was involved in Paus trade???
Anything, or your just posting nonsense?? I would love to see one of you guys provide a link or anything remotely close that proves your accusations.......... LOVE TO SEE IT.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... &type=lgns

Im sure you wont accept it as proof but the grizzlies owner openly questioned the trade, and there is a huge, and I do mean HUGE, link between West and the new GM Wallace as well as with the owner. So I know you will come back with a "well this just proves my point the owner said he didnt have anything to do with it" this does prove there was a very big connection between the parties that cannot be ignored.

The Z trade was within the rules it might suck yes but if washington wants to blow up their team for 10 cents on the dollar, so be it, not my problem. That is a league problem, you cant blame the cavs for figuring out the system and utilizing their resources they have to make their team better. This is the state of the NBA now, money is more important than winning for alot of teams.

[LAL4Life]

I fail to see what the Cavs done wrong... If it was any other team besides the Cavs, no one would be saying anything.

Jackson is just being a crybaby and frankly all this whining is kinda annoying. The Cavs have done nothing wrong at all. Should the Wiz be prohibited from buying out a player or trying to improve their financial position? It's just stupid to even argue. The Cavs traded a guy that the Wiz think they are in a better position without than they are with him. Not to mention Z has got to be allowed to go as a free agent anywhere he wants.

Phil didn't say the Cavs have done anything wrong. He just said it's a shame that the league allows for this kinda stuff. So Ilgauskas (who I honestly don't think makes as big a difference as everyone is acting) gets to take a 30 day vacation, then go right back to the team who shipped out his contract for an All-Star PF. The Cavs literally end up trading one extremely late 1st rounder for Jamison. It's not right. That's all Phil is saying.

[Rise Against]

The 30 day rule has been around for a while now... I don't see why it wouldn't be right, not because I am rooting for the Cavs, but if it were any other team, I wouldn't be saying how it isn't fair.. Detroit did it with McDyess, San Antonio did with Brent Barry, and I think Stackhouse almost did with Dallas.. Obviously, the Cavs were the beneficiaries of that 3 way trade... However, you have to account for the fact that Washington needed to get rid of some contracts to put themselves under the luxury tax, seeing that they were going nowhere. Trading with the Cavs was the best move they can make financially, especially when no team wanted to take on Jamison's contract.. But then again, it is still Z's decision to sign with whoever he wants... And if you think it's not fair, take a look at the Gasol trade.. The only reason why this is being discussed is because it is the Cavs.. Any other team, there would be no discussion.

[mg]

The Lakers traded an already retired Aaron McKie (who was actually on the Lakers coaching staff at the time) to make the salaries work in that Gasol deal. If that's not circumventing the spirit of the cap I don't know what is. BTW, the Lakers only gave up trash players like Kwame and Crittendon off their roster to make that trade as Marc Gasol was playing in Europe at the time. That Gasol trade was purely financially driven and West was the man who gave Pau to the Lakers. I remember at the time West didn't even call around to other teams to see if they could top the Lakers putrid offer.

Phil Jackson is one of the biggest crybabies in the League.

[vct33]

No reason for Cav's fans to get all wound up over this. He's not really singling out the Cavs/Ilgauskas situation. He's just saying that the rule in general is a "sham". I tend to agree with him. I suspect this rule will be changed fairly soon.

[Profound23]

The Lakers traded an already retired Aaron McKie (who was actually on the Lakers coaching staff at the time) to make the salaries work in that Gasol deal. If that's not circumventing the spirit of the cap I don't know what is. BTW, the Lakers only gave up trash players like Kwame and Crittendon off their roster to make that trade as Marc Gasol was playing in Europe at the time. That Gasol trade was purely financially driven and West was the man who gave Pau to the Lakers. I remember at the time West didn't even call around to other teams to see if they could top the Lakers putrid offer.

Phil Jackson is one of the biggest crybabies in the League.

This is exactly it. Trades like this have been going on for a long time and Phil never said a thing. Now when it's with the team that he fears the most, he says something. Lebron is the only player who get as many calls as Kobe and now they have a player who can duel with Pau. He knows it's at the very least even between the teams in ever way except coaching and it scares the hell out of him.

[Mezotarkus]

Do you even know what your talking about or do you have any clue how trades work?? You have a very limited lack of knowledge when it comes to trades and that goes for the other posters who also brought Jerry West into this conversation.

First of all Jerry West had left the league and Memphis A YEAR AND A HALF before Paus trade and retired from the NBA. So I dont know how he had any hand in Paus trade. To top it off you want to bring Jerry Wests's ethics when the guy is the franchises LOGO.

Tell me something, do you or others have any proof that Jerry West was involved in Paus trade???
Anything, or your just posting nonsense?? I would love to see one of you guys provide a link or anything remotely close that proves your accusations.......... LOVE TO SEE IT.

Second and this has been covered many many many times, the Pau trade actually worked out for Memphis, since they did get what they were looking for, WHICH included Kwames 9 mil AND A legit quality center in Marc as well as draft picks and money.

Thanks Lakers fan for that impartial viewpoint. Marc Gasol has turned out great for the Grizzlies but he certainly was not regarded as such at the time and was viewed as a throwaway. He was so impressive he was drafted #48 overall in the 2007 draft. Kwame was not the only expiring contract at the time. And the picks? Late 20s picks? Hardly valuable.

Its widely known the Grizzlies did not even contact other teams to get updated offers for Gasol. So you are going to trade your franchise player and just get an offer from one team? The Bulls had previously offered Andres Nocioni, Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, Thabo Sefolosha, possibly Adrian Griffin and draft picks. Heisley still had a very close relationship with West and West handpicked his GM successor, Chris Wallace. Finally, Jerry West signed a contract extension through 2008 and while he had resigned was still under contract with the Grizzlies. If you think he was not involved and the Lakers pulled a fast one then probably also think Kobe didnt rape that girl.

[ocellatus921]

As a Pistons fan I see nothing wrong with the cavs trade. No rules where broken. If the Stern has a prob. then change the rule. Maybe something like if a traded player gets bought out then returns to their original team they have cant play in the post season.