Game 13 Reds @ Brewers

trwi7 · Post #21 » by **trwi7** » Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:44 am

wichmae wrote:I don't think Mark and Doug have the balls to fire him this soon after the extension.

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Kerb Hohl · Post #22 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:59 am

wichmae wrote:I don't think Mark and Doug have the balls to fire him this soon after the extension.

Rarely does a manager get into the final year of his deal as a lame duck. I think that contract was definitely extended to Ron full-well knowing he could be canned this year.

Personally, once they're officially done (pretty soon) I don't care when he's fired. If they let him play out 85-90% of the year that's fine by me.

GB_Packers · Post #23 » by **GB_Packers** » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:37 am

What a disaster of a season and it's only 13 games into the year. Way too early yet I suppose but I wonder if this team will challenge that 56 win team from 2002. The more losses the higher the pick! Maybe by 2020 or so they'll be back to where they were when Weeks, Braun, Fielder, Hart, Hardy and the rest came up to the big leagues. Such exciting times those were after being awful for so long and now not even 10 years later, only Braun remains and he looks to be a complete shell of what he used to be. Really **** sucks

Profound23 · Post #24 » by **Profound23** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:52 pm

TANK!

NerdsterBuck · Post #25 » by **NerdsterBuck** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:08 pm

Haha Only the Brewers would sent a player that is doing bad for another that is even worst in the minors.

coolhandluke121 · Post #26 » by **coolhandluke121** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:41 pm

GB_Packers wrote:Maybe by 2020 or so they'll be back to where they were when Weeks, Braun, Fielder, Hart, Hardy and the rest came up to the big leagues.

Mark A bought the team in 2005. That was basically the rookie season for those guys, except Braun. Also, Hall, Sheets, and Overbay were still in their primes, and Jenkins had a very good season in 2005 followed by a couple more solid ones. Braun, Gallardo, and Parra were tearing through the minors, arriving in 2007. Laporta, Gamel, Cain, Odorizzi, Lawrie, and Escobar were just a few years away, and Capuano was still a very good prospect at the time.

My point is not that all those players panned out, but that Mark A inherited an absolutely sick collection of talent. Whether via trade or via homegrown talent, they should have had a great run. They were on par with the current Cubs farm system, if not better. And in just over 10 seasons, they have won 823 games and lost 811, with a total of 6 playoff wins in two appearances. It's hard to get any more mediocre than that. Now tell me, what would you say ten years from now if the Cubs go .500 in that span? That would constitute utter and complete failure in my opinion. The supporting cast players they have chosen, the average age of the roster (close to 30 ever since 2007), the relatively high payroll that is not proportional to their success, the lack of attention to scouting and development, the indifference to defense and platoons and baserunning and OBP, the love affair with hr's at the expense of other key factors*, and the refusal to trade any veterans until they absolutely have to - all those things paint a CLEAR picture of a regime that is impatient, fickle, delusional, and in over its head. The last ten years are basically what we would have gotten if Isiah Thomas and Jim Dolan had inherited a team with the kind of talent base we had. I don't EVER wanna hear anybody give Mark A credit for the way this franchise has improved. It is all about the scouting and high draft picks that we had before he even arrived, much of which he squandered.

*By the way, if you're so in love with hr's on offense and believe that's the key to winning, doesn't it follow that you should try to get pitchers who don't give up a lot of them? You know, the exact opposite of what they've been doing for the last several years? At least be consistent. That just shows that they have no vision IMO.