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Post#21 » by BuckPack » Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:31 pm

Sheets
Gallardo
Suppan
Capuano/Bush
Villanueva


This is the rotation I envision, with Parra taking over Villanueva's role this past season. Since Parra's been the one with arm troubles in the past, I don't think the Brewers will throw him into the rotation quite yet.

I think you'll see the Brewers move either Capuano or Vargas, with Cappy being the more likely target as he has higher value and a bigger payday looming. There's likely to be a VERY big market for a young, borderline All Star left handed SP. While I don't really like moving him, we certainly have the flexibility to do so....particularly if it could net us a big time corner outfielder.


As for the pen, Luke, why don't you think we'll resign Cordero? I'd be willing to bet that we will--I don't see Mark Attan. letting Cordero get away right after a season in which he's been the best pitcher on our team (and arguably the MVP). This has been the most successful Brewers season in 15 years and fans have been FILLING the stadium for the last month or so (and will obviously continue to do so). For a new owner who is still trying to create some good will with the community, I'd be VERY surprised if he didn't pony up the cash to resign Cordero. Finally, I'm curious as to why Cordero's impending FA hasn't been a biger issue in the media---are we sure that there isn't some sort of option here?

But end of the day, I'm pretty certain the Brewers will resign Cordero.
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Post#22 » by LUKE23 » Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:35 pm

He's going to get quite a bit of cash, my bet is around 9M per year, and if you look at Melvin's history, historically he does not throw big money at the bullpen, because he thinks highly of his scouting abilities there. He's found Bow, Wise, Shouse, and several others off the waiver wire.

He won't spend big money on Cordero, IMO.
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Post#23 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:40 pm

I'd rather have the pick than spend 9-10 mil on Cordero. I love what he's done, but I subscribe to the Beane philosophy of grooming a cheap closer. Nice article on it here:

http://www.inwaltwetrust.com/?p=40
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Post#24 » by BuckPack » Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:56 pm

I like that too, DBm but it's hard to look past what Cordero has done for this team this year. Personally, I don't want Turnbow ever closing again, regardless of how much better he has pitched thi syear. I just don't think he has the mental makeup of an elite closer.

If the Brewers can deal for a Chad Cordero this year (and have an option for next year)--giving up say a Tony Gwynn--then I'd have no problems not resigning Coco and jsut taking the pick....but if not, call me nervous as all hell, b/c that's one position that you cannot undervalue on production, even if you do so in salary....
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Post#25 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:28 pm

You have to think Cordero is going to want a deal along the likes of what BJ Ryan got. Something like 5 years, 50 million dollars. Even without Jenks on the payroll or *gulp* Sheets after next year, we're still going to need every penny to lock up our young guys. I just don't think the Brewers, as a small market team, have the luxury of being able to spend big money on a closer.

I'd put the pressure on Melvin and Maddux to find their next Derek Turnbow or Dan Kolb.
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Post#26 » by Comet » Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:33 pm

Ben Sheets is great, but his injury history isn't worth overpaying for. If he's asking for too much, let him go. Pass the torch to Gallardo and/or Villanueva.
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Post#27 » by BuckPack » Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:55 pm

DrugBust wrote:You have to think Cordero is going to want a deal along the likes of what BJ Ryan got. Something like 5 years, 50 million dollars. Even without Jenks on the payroll or *gulp* Sheets after next year, we're still going to need every penny to lock up our young guys. I just don't think the Brewers, as a small market team, have the luxury of being able to spend big money on a closer.

I'd put the pressure on Melvin and Maddux to find their next Derek Turnbow or Dan Kolb.


I certainly don't disagree, but that makes finding another bullpen arm even more of a necessity this coming deadline...
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Post#28 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:34 pm

BuckPack wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



I certainly don't disagree, but that makes finding another bullpen arm even more of a necessity this coming deadline...


I'm not so sure.

Granted, health is going to be key to our rotation and bullpen down the stretch, but what team can't say that?

Sheets
Suppan
Vargas
Bush
Cappy

Spurling (who's been underrated all year)
Shouse
Wise
Villanueva
Gallardo
Parra
Turnbow
Cordero

I think our depth in the pen is pretty ridiculous.

Next year, even if Cordero leaves and we get a pick for him, you still have options on our roster outside of Turnbow.
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Post#29 » by El Duderino » Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:21 am

You have to think Cordero is going to want a deal along the likes of what BJ Ryan got. Something like 5 years, 50 million dollars. Even without Jenks on the payroll or *gulp* Sheets after next year, we're still going to need every penny to lock up our young guys. I just don't think the Brewers, as a small market team, have the luxury of being able to spend big money on a closer.


If he wants 5ys,no doubt he's gone,but if he'd take 3ys i;d pay him around 27 million.Many playoff berths are decided by 1-3 games,having a top notch closer vs a mediocre one can be that difference.

Spurling (who's been underrated all year)


Based on what?

He has a 4.50 ERA and has pitched worse than the ERA number.Spurling has allowed 48 hitters to reach base in 30 innings for an ugly WHIP of 1.60.As a 12th man in a bullpen,you could do worse than him.There is a reason though he generally only pitches in garbage time or in close games if the rest of the bullpen is gassed,he's not very good.

One guy who i'm very curious about going forward this year is Parra.For a youngster in his first two outings,he showed great poise and no nerves,just attacked the strike zone with quality pitches.No scared nibbling,he threw like a guy with confidence in himself and his stuff.

When you listen to Ned talk and watch him when he goes to the mound,nothing seems to bother him more than a pitcher who nibbles nibbles and then gets himself in trouble.If Parra continues to to throw strikes with poise and confidence,i could easily see Yost growing more and more comfortable using him in tight situations.

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