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Post#181 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Dec 2, 2021 5:01 pm

Is there any reason for optimism that this won't be a long work stoppage? They couldn't agree on anything for the covid season and it appears the same idiots are still in charge. I wouldn't be surprised if we lost a full season.

One of the main issues are there are almost 3 sides with differing goals: players, big market teams, small market teams. Maybe even 4 sides if you count agents.

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Re: 2021 ATL Thread - CBA Expires December 1 

Post#182 » by MickeyDavis » Thu Dec 2, 2021 5:15 pm

The union wants free agency cut from 6 years to 5, a $100 reduction in revenue sharing and arbitration to include all 2 year players. I realize it's a negotiation and you aim high but if any of those actually happen it will suck.
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Post#183 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Dec 2, 2021 5:35 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:The union wants free agency cut from 6 years to 5, a $100 reduction in revenue sharing and arbitration to include all 2 year players. I realize it's a negotiation and you aim high but if any of those actually happen it will suck.
This is an example of what I was referring to when I said 3 sides because I could see some large market teams be completely fine giving in to this demand where as it screws over the little markets.

Now taking my brewers fan goggles off I do think the current service time/arby rules do kind of screw players because teams game the system.

For all it's other issues I have to give the NFL credit for their CBA. Real revenue sharing and a hard cap are the best way for leveling the playing field for all the franchises.

I know this will upset some people but honestly one of the best ways for teams to save money and in theory reinvest is to dramatically cut back on the minor leagues. We simply don't need that many levels. Cut it way back and pay the players at those levels better. Sucks for guys chasing that dream but there would still be independent leagues and plenty of foreign leagues for guys to chase that dream. The fact teams pay 100+ basically non prospects to fill out these clubs plus the operating expenses of the clubs is wasted resources.

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Re: 2021 ATL Thread - CBA Expires December 1 

Post#184 » by LittleRooster » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:56 pm

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MickeyDavis wrote:The union wants free agency cut from 6 years to 5, a $100 reduction in revenue sharing and arbitration to include all 2 year players. I realize it's a negotiation and you aim high but if any of those actually happen it will suck.
This is an example of what I was referring to when I said 3 sides because I could see some large market teams be completely fine giving in to this demand where as it screws over the little markets.

Now taking my brewers fan goggles off I do think the current service time/arby rules do kind of screw players because teams game the system.

For all it's other issues I have to give the NFL credit for their CBA. Real revenue sharing and a hard cap are the best way for leveling the playing field for all the franchises.

I know this will upset some people but honestly one of the best ways for teams to save money and in theory reinvest is to dramatically cut back on the minor leagues. We simply don't need that many levels. Cut it way back and pay the players at those levels better. Sucks for guys chasing that dream but there would still be independent leagues and plenty of foreign leagues for guys to chase that dream. The fact teams pay 100+ basically non prospects to fill out these clubs plus the operating expenses of the clubs is wasted resources.

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They barely pay their minor leaguers as is, which is a huge issue imo


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Post#185 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Dec 3, 2021 8:22 pm

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MickeyDavis wrote:The union wants free agency cut from 6 years to 5, a $100 reduction in revenue sharing and arbitration to include all 2 year players. I realize it's a negotiation and you aim high but if any of those actually happen it will suck.
This is an example of what I was referring to when I said 3 sides because I could see some large market teams be completely fine giving in to this demand where as it screws over the little markets.

Now taking my brewers fan goggles off I do think the current service time/arby rules do kind of screw players because teams game the system.

For all it's other issues I have to give the NFL credit for their CBA. Real revenue sharing and a hard cap are the best way for leveling the playing field for all the franchises.

I know this will upset some people but honestly one of the best ways for teams to save money and in theory reinvest is to dramatically cut back on the minor leagues. We simply don't need that many levels. Cut it way back and pay the players at those levels better. Sucks for guys chasing that dream but there would still be independent leagues and plenty of foreign leagues for guys to chase that dream. The fact teams pay 100+ basically non prospects to fill out these clubs plus the operating expenses of the clubs is wasted resources.

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Absolutely and that's why I mentioned paying what's left more. Again it's a caluous statement and only one of many of MLBs issues but it's a bloated system as currently constructed.

Hell I'd actually say goal numebr one for the owners before they even negotiate with the players is to get their own house in order. Better revenue sharing and some way to stop real piece of **** owners like in Pittsburgh where they take money from the revenue pool but don't actually spend it to try and win.




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Re: 2021 ATL Thread - CBA Expires December 1 

Post#186 » by MikeIsGood » Tue Jan 4, 2022 3:30 pm

Ken Rosenthal getting the boot at MLBN is all-of-the-above petty, hilarious, and stupid. Apparently they benched him for 3 months after criticizing Manfred in a piece on The Athletic. Christ.
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Post#187 » by ReasonablySober » Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:29 pm

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Post#188 » by LittleRooster » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:58 am

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Re: 2021 ATL Thread - CBA Expires December 1 

Post#189 » by MickeyDavis » Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:14 am

Union doesn't want expanded playoffs, reasoning that if it's easier to make the playoffs teams won't have to spend as much.
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Post#190 » by humanrefutation » Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:37 pm

I have no objection to expanded playoffs in general, but only if they agree to cut the schedule down to 100 games or something like that. There's no point to a slog of 162 games only to eliminate only 16 teams.

100 games. 14 playoff teams. I'm all about it.

Obviously, there's no way anyone turns down the revenue from 62 more regular season games.
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Post#191 » by coolhandluke121 » Today 1:17 am

Ortiz is in the Hall of Fame. Barely deserves it even if he hadn't used PEDs, but if you're letting in someone who sucked before using PEDs, don't you have to let in everyone who was a HOF player before PEDs too? Don't really care because the Hall is a joke anyway, but at least be consistent.
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Post#192 » by WeekapaugGroove » Today 2:36 am

coolhandluke121 wrote:Ortiz is in the Hall of Fame. Barely deserves it even if he hadn't used PEDs, but if you're letting in someone who sucked before using PEDs, don't you have to let in everyone who was a HOF player before PEDs too? Don't really care because the Hall is a joke anyway, but at least be consistent.
It's at the point now where if you juiced but are/were nice to tbe media you get in but if you're a prick then they blame steroids.

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