Brewers 2024 Discussion - Woodruff Back on 2 Year Deal

[WeekapaugGroove]

Janson Junk is a great pitcher name. Lol

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[ReasonablySober]

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Seminaris sounds like a possible 5th spot guy too.

[LUKE23]

They can say whatever they want but that sure as hell looks like a payroll dump. OF heavy or not he was arguably their best hitter last year. And Junk is 26, not really a prospect.

[ReasonablySober]

I'm fine with the return. One year left, big pay raise. They got three arms with like a combined 17 years of team control. I'm excited they opened a spot for a young guy, probably Frelick.

[Matches Malone]

Hoping they can move Wong next and bring Turang along. Frelick and Yeli can split time in left, Mitchell and Ruiz in center and Tyrone Taylor probably gets first dibs in right until Wiemer is ready.

[LUKE23]

I think Frelick was a lock regardless and Yelich moving to 1B/DH AB if Renfroe was kept.

[LittleRooster]

Return seems light to me. Also saw this tweet

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[MVP2110]

I like this move. Renfroe only had 1 year left of control so getting 3 young pitchers back for him who all have a chance to impact the big league club this year seems like a solid move. On top of that it opens up a 2nd outfield slot for our slew of young OFs.

[MikeIsGood]

Agree the return seems a little light, but also agree that I'm fine with the move. With this and the Wong rumors, I'm getting a sense that they're clearer on their direction in opening up spots for some of the young guys, win or lose. I just don't want us to half-ass any direction we take. Whole-ass it!

[leroyjw10]

I thought Arnold's quote that Junk "has a chance to compete for a spot in our rotation potentially" was interesting. As of now, they have all six starters from last year under control and they're all better than Junk. Maybe Arnold meant a rotation spot farther down the road, or maybe he just tipped his hand that they're going to trade one of last year's six starters (Burnes?).

None of the three pitchers seem all that good, so not overly impressed with the return. But also excited to see some new, young blood in the OF. Interested to see how RF now plays out. Wiemer seems like a more natural RFer than our other options, but Mitchell, Frelick and Ruiz all feel ahead of him on the depth chart.

It won't happen, but I could get behind a starting OF of Frelick, Mitchell and Ruiz to start the season (with Yelich at DH.) Those three combined probably won't clear 30 home runs on the year, but they'll get on base, steal some more bases, and play some great defense.

[MickeyDavis]

If they have to say it wasn't a salary dump, it was a salary dump. Wong is next. They could have just declined his option but I think they picked it up simply to trade him for prospects.

Last year was the second lowest in attendance in 16 years (not counting 2021 which had limited fans for a few weeks). There is no doubt payroll will be cut. This is a big year, we really need our youngsters to not be busts.

[tski1972]

This is the best time to reset the roster. I hope to see multiple trades over the next couple of months.

[MVP2110]

If they have to say it wasn't a salary dump, it was a salary dump. Wong is next. They could have just declined his option but I think they picked it up simply to trade him for prospects.

Last year was the second lowest in attendance in 16 years (not counting 2021 which had limited fans for a few weeks). There is no doubt payroll will be cut. This is a big year, we really need our youngsters to not be busts.

I'm not sure payroll gets cut drastically. With 18 arb eligible players the Brewers were projected around 126 million before the Renfroe trade which was down about 10ish million or so from last season. Now if they move Renfroe & Wong and add nobody of significance I'll agree with you, but if they wanted to make any moves of significance this deal makes sense. We'll see how the offseason shakes out but my guess is payroll ends up somewhere in that 125-135 million range and that they are just reallocating those resources to other areas of the team since they have so many OF prospects on the cusp of the Majors

[MickeyDavis]

It helps having Cain off the books. They also dumped Hader's estimated $12 million 2023 salary. Burnes is estimated to get around $12 million (if he's still on the team, I think he will be). Adames is estimated to get about a $5 million raise to $9.5 million.

This is the most interesting off season in a long time.

I don't think the goal is a massive payroll decrease but I do think it will be lower due to decreased revenue. Attendance was down 17% from 2019.

I'm looking forward to next season more than usual just to see the young blood sinking or swimming.

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[Kerb Hohl]

We’ll see if Arnold is a step down from Stearns, but if the Brewers, Rays, or Guardians make moves like this, I always expect them to open up a new window of contention either right then or 2 years later.

Some of this sucks as a small market team and we’ll see if this is just a shifting of assets or a reset button with the intent to have a loaded farm coming up in 2024. For now, I’m fine with either as long as they don’t linger in the middle.

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[Matches Malone]

I just hope Arnold can bring some of that Rays magic with him. I'm okay bottoming out and trying to get a new crop of players up here. Personally, I think it makes more sense when small market teams have a group of players to contend with, then when that team needs to start being paid, move those players for prospects and start a new crop, and hope to hit lightning in a bottle. Heck, the Marlins used to do this all the time, and when their crop of players came up, they were actually true contenders.

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[ReasonablySober]

The Brewers signed OF Blake Perkins to a MLB deal, despite him not playing in MLB before. Doesn't mean he's going to make the opening day roster, but he offers depth.

He's a glove first guy with great zone awareness, and the power started to show up last season.

Interesting pickup.