Trade Rumors Thread - Brewers Open for Business (30)

htr · Post #121 » by **htr** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:39 pm

Mark has been our best owner to get us to this point, but he has to show he's willing to sell and rebuild a bit to keep us from becoming mediocre or Buck-like.

neiLz · Post #122 » by **neiLz** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:03 pm

Was just goin to say. If there brewers are over .500 and withing 4 or five of first, I would consider buying, but not going nuts for relievers. Our biggest weakness is the bullpen. If Melvin gives up anything of value for a reliever, I will be pissed. If the brewers are under .500, I would sell like crazy. Offer Greinke a reasonable deal, and if declines, then trade everyone. They can rebuild easily if they traded their assetts and be back in 2 - 3 years.

Post #123 » by **jr lucosa** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:34 pm

In Mark I trust.

wichmae · Post #124 » by **wichmae** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:53 am

ArodpwnsFavre wrote:Was just goin to say. If there brewers are over .500 and withing 4 or five of first, I would consider buying, but not going nuts for relievers. Our biggest weakness is the bullpen. If Melvin gives up anything of value for a reliever, I will be pissed. If the brewers are under .500, I would sell like crazy. Offer Greinke a reasonable deal, and if declines, then trade everyone. They can rebuild easily if they traded their assetts and be back in 2 - 3 years.

Yeah I agree. Especially when faced with the prospect of losing them all for nothing. The big three of Greinke, Marcum, and K-Rod should all be sold off if were out of it. I would also consider. Aoki, Kottaras, Gomez, Nyjer, Aramis, and Wolf. Gotta be smart here.

Thunder Muscle · Post #125 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:02 pm

trwi7 wrote:Let's hope Mark A. buys the Bucks. He would be so different from Kohl!

•Brewers officials are telling other clubs that owner Mark Attanasio will be the one who ultimately decides if his team will be buyers or sellers at the trade deadline

That's funny, my initial thoughts were the same. How is this any different? I'm definitely not defending Kohl at all, but Attanasio seems to have his finger prints on the personnel side of things too. Fortunately they've won a little bit in the last few years, if that changes he should face the same scrunity Kohl does on here.

And if course if they win, then he should continue to get tons of credit.

Kerb Hohl · Post #126 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:33 pm

Aramis is going to be tough to pawn off. He's due I think 10 and 16 million the next two years (backloaded).

In regard to the bullpen being the weakness: definitely. The starters are not pitching as well as last year but are not far off. The offense has been as good/better than last year's so far since there is better depth (even with all of the "irreplaceable" injuries, WEFFPIM). I'm going to go out on a limb and say the defense is also better without fatty.

Bullpen has been downright awful. Just look at the last 10 games or so. We should have won all 10 or at least 9 with a good bullpen.

If somebody writes an article that this team misses Prince, I'm going to strangle young children. Yes, I'd like to have him back on the roster, but we've created a better offense in his absence by filling in the black hole at 3B and having some depth.

A Diddy2231 · Post #127 » by **A Diddy2231** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:21 pm

So the 2012 Milwaukee Brewers are going to be like the 2011 St. Louis Cardinals?? Bullpen pitches better in the last few months, and the Brewers win it all

JimmyTheKid · Post #128 » by **JimmyTheKid** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:14 pm

Ryan Braun's 2012 Campaign:

More proof that "protection" is an absolute myth. How's Braun doing without Prince batting behind him? Detroit's Brennan Boesch was supposed to have this "breakout" year because he was hitting 2nd in front of Miggy and Prince. He was this supposed "fastball hitter who'd only be seeing fastball strikes.". How's that working out? He's been moved up and down the lineup because he's not hitting. Fact is, he's just a guy. Doesn't matter where he hits in the batting order. He's just an average baseball player.

How much time has been wasted talking or writing about "protection" ???

neiLz · Post #129 » by **neiLz** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:34 pm

Totally Agree. Protection only matters if the guy can hit. Fatty Hit after fielder when hart was moved to leadoff and he still stunk. Braun is DOMINATING with a less dangerous hitter in front and behind him. He struggled in the beginning of the season, which i think had to do with the whole suspension debacle and the fact he was trying to prove he isnt cheating. Once he settled in, he is on pace to have a better year than last year. The whole protection thing is a joke when it comes to superstars like braun. Braun and Fielder both can rake, so it doesnt matter. Some guys might have break out years hitting around superstars, but they will never sustain that success because they are just guys and not superstars!

Post #130 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:19 pm

On pace to hit 48 home runs despite that slow start too.

El Duderino · Post #131 » by **El Duderino** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:30 pm

N8Frog wrote:
trwi7 wrote:Let's hope Mark A. buys the Bucks. He would be so different from Kohl!

•Brewers officials are telling other clubs that owner Mark Attanasio will be the one who ultimately decides if his team will be buyers or sellers at the trade deadline

That's funny, my initial thoughts were the same. How is this any different? I'm definitely not defending Kohl at all, but Attanasio seems to have his finger prints on the personnel side of things too. Fortunately they've won a little bit in the last few years, if that changes he should face the same scrunity Kohl does on here.

And if course if they win, then he should continue to get tons of credit.

When some here have ragged on Melvin for being to impatient and win now in the moves he's made over the last few years, one reason i've defended Melvin is i've long suspected that Attanasio pushes Doug in that direction.

Now i don't think Mark meddles to the point of telling Melvin exactly who to sign or trade for, except maybe in the case of Suppan where Attanasio seemed heavily involved. I do think though that he loves seeing Miller Park drawing 3 million fans each year and he's highly competitive, so he's almost always going to side on a direction of trying to win now over rebuilding unless he feels there simply is no chance at all to get a playoff berth in a given season.

htr · Post #132 » by **htr** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:27 pm

Would you do this trade: Greinke and Loe to Atlanta for Delgado, Jurjjens, Minor, and Pastronicky. This might be the type of trade Melvin prefers, for better or worse, as it brings guys to the big league roster.

trwi7 · Post #133 » by **trwi7** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:53 pm

I have a hard time believing Atlanta will trade 60% of their rotation and a SS prospect for one pitcher who they won't get compensation for and a reliever.

htr · Post #134 » by **htr** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:51 am

Those three starters have been atrocious this year. Pastronicky is not a big prospect.. Throw in Wolf if you need to.

I realize this trade won't happen. I could see Greinke for Jurjjens, Minor, and Pastronicky though.. Leave Delgado out as Atlanta will want to keep him.

trwi7 · Post #135 » by **trwi7** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:36 am

If they're atrocious, then why would we want them? You're just trashing them (though I don't really like Jurrjens) to try to make the deal look fair.

htr · Post #136 » by **htr** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:22 pm

I see this trade idea more along the lines of what Melvin may look for in a Greinke trade: pieces that can contribute right away.

Jurjjens has been a good number two in the past and I'm guessing we'd like him included in the chance he gets back there. Minor has been bad this year, but was seen as a possible good #3 and we'd control him for several more years. Pastronicky was given the starting SS gig but didn't impress. He's still likely an improvement over what we have and again has some limited potential to be a cost-controlled every day SS for us.

I think we could get these three for Greinke, and I'd advocate doing it.

Kerb Hohl · Post #137 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:10 pm

I like Minor as a target as a buy-low. I realize over a whole season you can't use this as a full excuse but the guy seems to keep drawing the worst matchups. He's been horrendously bad in those bad matchups, but he has had the @Colorado, Yankees, @Yankees, @Boston, etc. matchups that have killed his ERA.

Nemesis21 · Post #138 » by **Nemesis21** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:38 pm

Braves won't trade Jurrjens, Minor and Delgado. How about,

RHP Jair Jurrejens, LHP Mike Minor, C Christian Bethancourt, SS Tyler Pastornicky for Zach Greinke. ???

htr · Post #139 » by **htr** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:17 pm

Nemesis, I'd do your counter if you could replace the catcher Bethancourt wth a prospect of equal value. We are set at that position for several years.

Nemesis21 · Post #140 » by **Nemesis21** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:46 pm

htr wrote:Nemesis, I'd do your counter if you could replace the catcher Bethancourt wth a prospect of equal value. We are set at that position for several years.

Could switch Bethancourt(Braves 4th ranked prospect) out and put in 3b Edward Salcedo(Braves 9th ranked prospect) or 2b Nick Ahmed(Braves 10th ranked prospect), Braves are high on Salcedo and need a long term replacement for Chipper, recently Joe Terdoslavich has passed Salcedo as the Braves top 3b prospect.

Actually that's a lot for Greinke. Make it Jurrjens, Minor, Salcedo or Ahmed and Pastornicky for Greinke and Fiers.