2018 Brewers Discussion - Yelich Signing on Page 45

[trwi7]

I'd honestly throw Williams and Houser into the fire.

[DingleJerry]

Santana/KJ Harrison for Mejia/Kipnis/Salazar

I don't get why brewerfan is so convinced that the Indians will just throw one of the best prospects in baseball into a trade as an add-on.

Who's saying its a throw in?

Santana is worth more than Kipnis/Salazar

I'm still skeptical on the Santana/Salazar value. Majority of MKE fans seem to think Santana is worth more due to being more proven. i think they might be wrong due to the incredible value on pitching. I think Cle rejects it straight up, take on the Kipnis contract maybe is enough to balance it. On the other hand, they might just think Kipnis had a bad year and want him back and wouldn't want to sell low. jabronis like us don't know for sure. So who knows, we might end up having to toss in more and maybe that's where the disconnect is right now.

[xTitan]

Don't forget the Brewers probably need at least 2 good arms In the bullpen, they lost their set up guy, who was awesome, they are basically a 2 man pen at this point, as far as guys you can count on.

Barnes is good, Boone Logan is coming off injury but was signed as their LOOGY, and they have a ton of guys like Guerra and plenty of prospects where they want to limit innings this year to put in the pen at some point.

If the staff stays healthy, assuming they add 1 more starter, that means that if Nelson comes back, Woodruff may be moving there temporarily, Suter will probably be there for sure...there are a lot of reasonable options beyond the 2 studs.

I think it needs another piece but it's not that shallow.

I really disagree, you can't count on either Barnes (who has potential) or Logan at this point, most starters rarely go past 6 innings in today's baseball you need to lock down the 8th and 9th, they pissed away quite a few games with Barnes before Swarzak got here. Plus they had Swarzak if something happened to Knebel, now they have no back up closer.

[Kerb Hohl]

Don't forget the Brewers probably need at least 2 good arms In the bullpen, they lost their set up guy, who was awesome, they are basically a 2 man pen at this point, as far as guys you can count on.

Barnes is good, Boone Logan is coming off injury but was signed as their LOOGY, and they have a ton of guys like Guerra and plenty of prospects where they want to limit innings this year to put in the pen at some point.

If the staff stays healthy, assuming they add 1 more starter, that means that if Nelson comes back, Woodruff may be moving there temporarily, Suter will probably be there for sure...there are a lot of reasonable options beyond the 2 studs.

I think it needs another piece but it's not that shallow.

I really disagree, you can't count on either Barnes (who has potential) or Logan at this point, most starters rarely go past 6 innings in today's baseball you need to lock down the 8th and 9th, they pissed away quite a few games with Barnes before Swarzak got here. Plus they had Swarzak if something happened to Knebel, now they have no back up closer.

They could do something unconventional and place...you know, any other pitcher on their staff that can throw a baseball in to pitch the 9th inning.

They aren't going the Yankees route in buying up 5 name-brand relievers, but a lot of good relievers come from places like this. For instance, I'm not predicting with certainty that Guerra will be a good reliever, but he can increase his velocity as a reliever to what he did in 2016 for a period of time and be a very good reliever potentially.

There aren't any expensive relievers left on the market. I think the bullpen will be sneaky good. Almost all of the good Brewer bullpens of the past (and they have generally built good ones) have brought guys out of nowhere. Axford, Turnbow, etc.

I can tell you who the 40 best starting pitchers will be in baseball will be with some certainty. Harder to do with relievers other than the top few. There's a likelihood on most of the good relievers in baseball remaining elite, but there is a giant group in the middle of the pack that are either prospects coming up for a stint in the bullpen or misfit guys like Junior Guerra in there.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I'd honestly throw Williams and Houser into the fire.

Lol when I first read this I thought you hated these two and wanted them litterally burnt up.

But yeah I assume Williams is in the pen opening day as long as he doesn't **** himself this spring. Dudes got good stuff. Houser will be interesting because I guess they potentially could try one last time to stretch him out as a starter in the minors but I assume his role ultimately is a reliver.

[dbrodz7]

Anyone else get kicked off the press conference on brewers.com because the page refreshes every few minutes? What a joke!

[neiLz]

I rarely listen to local sports talk as I work from home and never drive. Today I had some errands and was pretty excited to hear some local brewers talk. Turned on Chuck and whatever that idiot is called and they were talking WRESTLING!!!!???!??!!?!?!?!? FREAKING WRESTLING... like the bella twins and john cena? wtf.

To be fair Bart is one of the only tolerable people to listen to on that station... also they were talking brewers most of the morning and you have to split it up a bit. I have no issues with them bringing up the Royal Rumble as it is a pretty big event and MLK has always been a really big wrestling town.

Bart is at least better than Bill Michaels. That guy is a goof. Doesn't know a lick of basketball, always typing on his keyboard during interviews (which you can hear clear as day) and when he talks, you can hear the spit noises in his mouth. He sounds like an old woman sucking on a Werther's Original.

Then brewer mike calls in and talks about how amazing these trades are. He then went on an uninformed rant on how braun played 1st base last year and they don't need to trade santana.

[Turk Nowitzki]

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[wichmae]

I don't get why brewerfan is so convinced that the Indians will just throw one of the best prospects in baseball into a trade as an add-on.

Who's saying its a throw in?

Santana is worth more than Kipnis/Salazar

Not that much more, if at all. Mejia is only going to be used in a trade to acquire an elite player. Santana is good, but Mejia would be used in getting Manny Machado (yes, even just for one year) or an ace pitcher at the deadline, one would think.

It's possible that Mejia alone is worth more than Santana.

Mejia (I think has a higher ceiling than, but I digress) has esentially the same prospect rating as Lewis Brinson right now. Let's call them even.

Say we were making a Broxton for Devon Travis trade (completely making this up) and say that one values Devon Travis as a little bit better than Broxton. "Yeah, we'll throw in Brinson to even that out." You doing that?

Mejia has more value than anyone in our last trade. There is ZERO chance we land him in any trade.

[jute2003]

He said he was going to troll, he trolled, and he got called on it.. Whether or not they are dumbasses is irrelevant. His joke being misread was only part of it.

Wooo! Got a board warning on bf.net because someone else doesn't know how to read/doesn't get the joke.

To be fair.....you were very persistent prior to your joke and even said you planned on trolling them.

To be fair to Twirl, there are some dumbass posters on that board. There's a reason why I never post there. Too much mind-numbing crap.

[wichmae]

Don't forget the Brewers probably need at least 2 good arms In the bullpen, they lost their set up guy, who was awesome, they are basically a 2 man pen at this point, as far as guys you can count on.

Barnes is good, Boone Logan is coming off injury but was signed as their LOOGY, and they have a ton of guys like Guerra and plenty of prospects where they want to limit innings this year to put in the pen at some point.

If the staff stays healthy, assuming they add 1 more starter, that means that if Nelson comes back, Woodruff may be moving there temporarily, Suter will probably be there for sure...there are a lot of reasonable options beyond the 2 studs.

I think it needs another piece but it's not that shallow.

I really disagree, you can't count on either Barnes (who has potential) or Logan at this point, most starters rarely go past 6 innings in today's baseball you need to lock down the 8th and 9th, they pissed away quite a few games with Barnes before Swarzak got here. Plus they had Swarzak if something happened to Knebel, now they have no back up closer.

That awesome set up man Swarzak was a NRI for the White Sox last year. Truth is we have zero idea where the over performing reliever may come from and chances are he's on the 40 already

[trwi7]

He said he was going to troll, he trolled, and he got called on it.. Whether or not they are dumbasses is irrelevant. His joke being misread was only part of it.

To be fair.....you were very persistent prior to your joke and even said you planned on trolling them.

To be fair to Twirl, there are some dumbass posters on that board. There's a reason why I never post there. Too much mind-numbing crap.

You're so full of ****. I said I might troll them all night with **** even I don't believe. I think I might have made a couple more posts on there last night, not a single one would have been considered trolling.

[jute2003]

It would be pretty disheartening if all they did now was trade Santana for a couple prospects. Half assed win now efforts are poop and would make me really hate the Cain and Yelich moves. They need at least one proven high end starter. If they can play some meaningful Playoff Baseball over the next coulple years I'll be fine with the early 2020's being ugly. It's not my money and Prospect rankings only go so far.

[Kerb Hohl]

It would be pretty disheartening if all they did now was trade Santana for a couple prospects. Half assed win now efforts are poop and would make me really hate the Cain and Yelich moves. They need at least one proven high end starter. If they can play some meaningful Playoff Baseball over the next coulple years I'll be fine with the early 2020's being ugly. It's not my money and Prospect rankings only go so far.

It would also be disheartening if they traded Santana and a haul of prospects for Archer and won 87 games this year, basically signalling that they'll have to rebuild again in 2 years and we'll probably have 6-7 years before we have another meaningful season (hopefully).

It can go both ways. Currently, they still have a pretty stocked farm system for the event that the Cubs are still superior (if they go crazy and get Darvish now and Harper next year, for instance).

[humanrefutation]

He said he was going to troll, he trolled, and he got called on it.. Whether or not they are dumbasses is irrelevant. His joke being misread was only part of it.

To be fair to Twirl, there are some dumbass posters on that board. There's a reason why I never post there. Too much mind-numbing crap.

You're so full of ****. I said I might troll them all night with **** even I don't believe. I think I might have made a couple more posts on there last night, not a single one would have been considered trolling.

Alright, folks, let's just keep the bf.net issues on bf.net. Don't think it's necessary to get into it here at this point and I'm not really interesting in modding their board, too.

[msiris]

Maybe we keep Santana and Braun waives his no trade??? or rotates the outfield and 1st? I am pretty Neutral on the deals today. Wouldn't mind getting Darvish though.

Need to get him now. Cant win anything without pitching. Otherwise all these moves are pointless.

[Balls2TheWalls]

I think this team needs a trade for a pitcher and a signed pitcher to be a real competitor. If Santana and change can get us Archer or Salazar and pieces, and we can still bring in a guy like Arrieta -- I think we could be the best team in the Central.

[Profound23]

I get the excitement of free agency, but the last thing this team needed was more outfielders. If they can't turn at least one of these outfielders into a star pitcher this team isn't going anywhere special imo.

[jimmybones]

For the talk of Braun to 1B to keep Santana. Why not Santana to 1B in that scenario? I’m not saying that’s the best route. But in a vacuum, if one is moving, why not Santana? He’s like 6’5 and not a great OF.

Then Phillips as the 4th OF and insurance for Braun/Cain against injury and off days needed. Keep Aguilar to backup 1st as essentially a pinch hitter, which he’s really good at. He’s also your insurance in case the Santana at 1st experiment doesn’t work. Then you trade Santana for a pitcher and promote Aguilar.

Trade bait for a pitcher is then Broxton, Thames, and a non Ortiz/Woodruff/Burnes pitching prospect. Or better yet sign a decent SP and keep all our ML ready talent and still have a good amount of trade chips to add whatever is needed in season. Up the monetary amount(not years) to get Darvish signed and keep all our other assets.

CF Cain
RF Yelich
LF Braun
3B Shaw
1B Santana
2B Villar/Perez (Sogard bench)
C Pina
SS Arcia

SP
Darvish (or other FA)
Anderson
Davies
Chacin
Woodruff
***Nelson*** hopefully

Maybe a minor move or two of a guy(s) like Broxton, Thames, mid level prospects for more pitchers- RP or SP options.

[Kerb Hohl]

For the talk of Braun to 1B to keep Santana. Why not Santana to 1B in that scenario? I’m not saying that’s the best route. But in a vacuum, if one is moving, why not Santana? He’s like 6’5 and not a great OF.

Then Phillips as the 4th OF and insurance for Braun/Cain against injury and off days needed. Keep Aguilar to backup 1st as essentially a pinch hitter, which he’s really good at. He’s also your insurance in case the Santana at 1st experiment doesn’t work. Then you trade Santana for a pitcher and promote Aguilar.

Trade bait for a pitcher is then Broxton, Thames, and a non Ortiz/Woodruff/Burnes pitching prospect. Or better yet sign a decent SP and keep all our ML ready talent and still have a good amount of trade chips to add whatever is needed in season. Up the monetary amount(not years) to get Darvish signed and keep all our other assets.

CF Cain
RF Yelich
LF Braun
3B Shaw
1B Santana
2B Villar/Perez (Sogard bench)
C Pina
SS Arcia

SP
Darvish (or other FA)
Anderson
Davies
Chacin
Woodruff
***Nelson*** hopefully

Maybe a minor move or two of a guy(s) like Broxton, Thames, mid level prospects for more pitchers- RP or SP options.

I don't mind the idea of Santana to 1B, but if any RH hitter is going to 1B at all, Aguilar loses a lot of steam. Can't hit righties that well. I'd rather use the spot for more defensive versatility or a lefty power bat off the bench.