2018 Brewers Discussion - Yelich Signing on Page 45

[Gianstoppable]

Santana/KJ Harrison for Mejia/Kipnis/Salazar

How do you propose we blackmail the Indians GM for this deal because that will never happen

[xTitan]

Barnes is good, Boone Logan is coming off injury but was signed as their LOOGY, and they have a ton of guys like Guerra and plenty of prospects where they want to limit innings this year to put in the pen at some point.

If the staff stays healthy, assuming they add 1 more starter, that means that if Nelson comes back, Woodruff may be moving there temporarily, Suter will probably be there for sure...there are a lot of reasonable options beyond the 2 studs.

I think it needs another piece but it's not that shallow.

I really disagree, you can't count on either Barnes (who has potential) or Logan at this point, most starters rarely go past 6 innings in today's baseball you need to lock down the 8th and 9th, they pissed away quite a few games with Barnes before Swarzak got here. Plus they had Swarzak if something happened to Knebel, now they have no back up closer.

That awesome set up man Swarzak was a NRI for the White Sox last year. Truth is we have zero idea where the over performing reliever may come from and chances are he's on the 40 already

But he wasn't on the 40 man last year, hence the pick up of Swarzak

[jimmybones]

For the talk of Braun to 1B to keep Santana. Why not Santana to 1B in that scenario? I’m not saying that’s the best route. But in a vacuum, if one is moving, why not Santana? He’s like 6’5 and not a great OF.

Then Phillips as the 4th OF and insurance for Braun/Cain against injury and off days needed. Keep Aguilar to backup 1st as essentially a pinch hitter, which he’s really good at. He’s also your insurance in case the Santana at 1st experiment doesn’t work. Then you trade Santana for a pitcher and promote Aguilar.

Trade bait for a pitcher is then Broxton, Thames, and a non Ortiz/Woodruff/Burnes pitching prospect. Or better yet sign a decent SP and keep all our ML ready talent and still have a good amount of trade chips to add whatever is needed in season. Up the monetary amount(not years) to get Darvish signed and keep all our other assets.

CF Cain
RF Yelich
LF Braun
3B Shaw
1B Santana
2B Villar/Perez (Sogard bench)
C Pina
SS Arcia

SP
Darvish (or other FA)
Anderson
Davies
Chacin
Woodruff
***Nelson*** hopefully

Maybe a minor move or two of a guy(s) like Broxton, Thames, mid level prospects for more pitchers- RP or SP options.

I don't mind the idea of Santana to 1B, but if any RH hitter is going to 1B at all, Aguilar loses a lot of steam. Can't hit righties that well. I'd rather use the spot for more defensive versatility or a lefty power bat off the bench.

I hear ya. I really like Aguilar and if we stay with Thames I’d rather see Aguilar play more. And Thames is a more ideal backup overall because of versatility and being a lefty with a righty starter. But I could see it working because we’d still have a lot of versatility with Perez and Villar defensively. I’d really like a bench of Phillips, Perez, Sogard, Aguilar, Vogt.

I’d basically be accepting Aguilars lack of versatility for:
1. Insurance policy for Santana not working at 1st.
2. Replacement for Santana if someone blows us away with a SP and/or 2B offer.
3. Fantastic pinch hitter

[Kerb Hohl]

I really disagree, you can't count on either Barnes (who has potential) or Logan at this point, most starters rarely go past 6 innings in today's baseball you need to lock down the 8th and 9th, they pissed away quite a few games with Barnes before Swarzak got here. Plus they had Swarzak if something happened to Knebel, now they have no back up closer.

That awesome set up man Swarzak was a NRI for the White Sox last year. Truth is we have zero idea where the over performing reliever may come from and chances are he's on the 40 already

But he wasn't on the 40 man last year, hence the pick up of Swarzak

Unless I'm missing the point here, wichmae is saying that there are a lot of non-roster-invites like Swarzak of 2017 that turn into lock-down relievers. Or, in my example, which I am not saying will happen, but if they move Guerra to the bullpen he has potential.

[Kerb Hohl]

For the talk of Braun to 1B to keep Santana. Why not Santana to 1B in that scenario? I’m not saying that’s the best route. But in a vacuum, if one is moving, why not Santana? He’s like 6’5 and not a great OF.

Then Phillips as the 4th OF and insurance for Braun/Cain against injury and off days needed. Keep Aguilar to backup 1st as essentially a pinch hitter, which he’s really good at. He’s also your insurance in case the Santana at 1st experiment doesn’t work. Then you trade Santana for a pitcher and promote Aguilar.

Trade bait for a pitcher is then Broxton, Thames, and a non Ortiz/Woodruff/Burnes pitching prospect. Or better yet sign a decent SP and keep all our ML ready talent and still have a good amount of trade chips to add whatever is needed in season. Up the monetary amount(not years) to get Darvish signed and keep all our other assets.

CF Cain
RF Yelich
LF Braun
3B Shaw
1B Santana
2B Villar/Perez (Sogard bench)
C Pina
SS Arcia

SP
Darvish (or other FA)
Anderson
Davies
Chacin
Woodruff
***Nelson*** hopefully

Maybe a minor move or two of a guy(s) like Broxton, Thames, mid level prospects for more pitchers- RP or SP options.

I don't mind the idea of Santana to 1B, but if any RH hitter is going to 1B at all, Aguilar loses a lot of steam. Can't hit righties that well. I'd rather use the spot for more defensive versatility or a lefty power bat off the bench.

I hear ya. I really like Aguilar and if we stay with Thames I’d rather see Aguilar play more. And Thames is a more ideal backup overall because of versatility and being a lefty with a righty starter. But I could see it working because we’d still have a lot of versatility with Perez and Villar defensively. I’d really like a bench of Phillips, Perez, Sogard, Aguilar, Vogt.

I’d basically be accepting Aguilars lack of versatility for:
1. Insurance policy for Santana not working at 1st.
2. Replacement for Santana if someone blows us away with a SP and/or 2B offer.
3. Fantastic pinch hitter

My issue with Aguilar is that he's a bad defender and if he's exposed to a lot of RH pitching...he's still an MLB caliber power hitter, but he's much more pedestrian. Last year he was .244/.311/.494 against RHP. Still can slug the ball but if he takes 1B over full time, it'll be a below-average hitting 1B with some pop that can't play defense very well.

If nobody else is moved around to 1B, then I'm OK with Aguilar. He still can hit it out from time-to-time off the bench and obviously is Thames' platoon mate.

[BUCKnation]

For the talk of Braun to 1B to keep Santana. Why not Santana to 1B in that scenario? I’m not saying that’s the best route. But in a vacuum, if one is moving, why not Santana? He’s like 6’5 and not a great OF.

Apparently Houston tried him there in the minors and it was a disaster. Braun would likely have a much easier transition considering he played a corner infield spot. He wasn't good there but the 1B is easier to play.

[Thunder Muscle]

Santana/KJ Harrison for Mejia/Kipnis/Salazar

How do you propose we blackmail the Indians GM for this deal because that will never happen

Right. I know he likes to propose trades but yeesh...

[trwi7]

Love both deals especially since trwi7 hates them...

No point in signing cain since it costs us a 3rd rd pick

We all have our strengths. I guess yours are contradicting yourself and making dumb **** trade proposals on message boards.

[Gianstoppable]

I'm just wondering why the Jays would trade away Stroman and why the Tribe would get rid of any pitching.

[Turk Nowitzki]

I'm just wondering why the Jays would trade away Stroman and why the Tribe would get rid of any pitching.

People got a taste of Stearns making some video games transactions and now logic is totally out the window in some of these trade proposals.

The only one that does make some logical sense is something based around Santana for Salazar. Not the most exciting but probably the most realistic because of the injury concerns with Salazar. Cleveland does have a LH heavy outfield and they can spare an arm if they so choose. I don't think Santana carries as much value around the league as the Brewers were hoping though.

[El Duderino]

It would be pretty disheartening if all they did now was trade Santana for a couple prospects. Half assed win now efforts are poop and would make me really hate the Cain and Yelich moves. They need at least one proven high end starter. If they can play some meaningful Playoff Baseball over the next coulple years I'll be fine with the early 2020's being ugly. It's not my money and Prospect rankings only go so far.

Did you miss that Cain signed for five years and Yelich is under contract for five years?

While i'm sure Stearns would like to be good this season, i don't think he made these moves as an all in effort mainly just for this year. It's not as if Yelich and Cain are in the last year of their contracts.

So i see Stearns trying to continue making the team better for next season, but also always keeping an eye on 2019 and 2020 with moves he makes. That will mean allowing young guys like Woodruff to get their chance to prove themselves and maybe another younger arm comes up to the big league team and surprises, be it in the bullpen or rotation.

The season is months away, give things time. I highly doubt Stearns is done with the roster.

[trwi7]

Did you miss that Cain signed for five years and Yelich is under contract for five years?

Umm, Cain is 32. Hoping he's the same player that he is a few years from now is **** stupid.

[humanrefutation]

I will say this - Yelich's contract is pretty damn great. If he can give us similar production for five years, that's a bargain. If he improves, that would be **** spectacular.

[El Duderino]

Did you miss that Cain signed for five years and Yelich is under contract for five years?

Umm, Cain is 32.

Really? Where the hell did you hear that kind of inside information?

I don't like the 5th year and it's pretty safe to assume that the reason Cain took so long to sign is reports of him having multiple four year offers was true. His camp was waiting for someone to offer that 5th year and when the Brewers finally did, the deal got done.

Five years is a long time. Hopefully we get at least three good years out of Cain and in that time, it involves a deep playoff run or two. I fully expect by year five of his deal, Cain is a shell of his current self. I'll be ok with that if the team makes some playoff runs in the first four years and Cain is a factor in that. If that doesn't happen, then that will mean other aspects of Stearns plan will have also failed and he very well could find himself out of his job.

[BallinBucks420]

i don't think steaarns is the type of GM to ever leave the farm dry...he knows how important it is as he has mentioned it multiple times being a small market team you always need to have guys in the minors ready to go...im sure there will be years where we can't afford a guy and Stearns will move him for prospects to add to the farm

this is in no way him buying all in for a couple years i still really like our farm and we have plenty of talent in the majors that is young and controllable going forward

[jr lucosa]

This may have already been mentioned, but for his career Yelich is a much better road hitter than home. I think moving from the park in Miami to Miller Park should be favorable to his already pretty nice numbers.

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[mlloyd10]

Love both deals especially since trwi7 hates them...

No point in signing cain since it costs us a 3rd rd pick

We all have our strengths. I guess yours are contradicting yourself and making dumb **** trade proposals on message boards.

Nope.... not at all....just like calling out trolls....still not a huge fan of the Cain signing, but proves with the Yelich signing we are going for it and that I do like

[mlloyd10]

Santana/KJ Harrison for Mejia/Kipnis/Salazar

How do you propose we blackmail the Indians GM for this deal because that will never happen

Right. I know he likes to propose trades but yeesh...

Getting Mejia is a stretch, but Santana has more value than Kipnis/Salazar

[Gianstoppable]

How do you propose we blackmail the Indians GM for this deal because that will never happen

Right. I know he likes to propose trades but yeesh...

Getting Mejia is a stretch, but Santana has more value than Kipnis/Salazar

I think if you want Mejia you gotta throw in a pitching prospect at least

[wichmae]

Getting Mejia is more than a stretch. He would be the #1 in our system. I also attest that anyone who thinks Domingo has some outstanding value is over rating their player.