2018 Brewers Discussion - Yelich Signing on Page 45

[WeekapaugGroove]

I understand it from a market price point but were getting down to missing ST time. Just doesnt make a ton of sense to me. Its obvious the FA market itself as a whole is adjusting with the new lux tax penalties. Those crazy contracts just arent going to be available.

The mega contracts will be back next year (I think). Everyone just wants to reset them, it appears.

IDK. I dont think the guys like Martinez and Hosmer will get them again. Harper, yes. The upper mid level players borderline all star I think will market adjust. Especially with the years that are being handed out.

I think the years might be what we'll see change going forward. Teams have been burned so much by giving these guys in their thirties these 5+ year deals I think the league is gun shy. Rightfully so and it won't be the worst thing is the standard fa contract is a little shorter.

[Kerb Hohl]

The mega contracts will be back next year (I think). Everyone just wants to reset them, it appears.

IDK. I dont think the guys like Martinez and Hosmer will get them again. Harper, yes. The upper mid level players borderline all star I think will market adjust. Especially with the years that are being handed out.

I think the years might be what we'll see change going forward. Teams have been burned so much by giving these guys in their thirties these 5+ year deals I think the league is gun shy. Rightfully so and it won't be the worst thing is the standard fa contract is a little shorter.

While I realize it is a bit of a trend, this offseason seems to suggest that if you guys believe that all of these teams/GMs have wised up, that literally all 30 of these guys woke up in November this year and said, "you know what? I'm not gonna do those contracts anymore." Teams are getting smarter for sure, but this is an off-year with some weird circumstances. I think some non-elite guys will still get larger contracts after this offseason.

[Turk Nowitzki]

My god, bf.net is a cesspool.

You get yelled out of the room for suggesting that the Rays aren't going to give up Jake Odorizzi for our **** bench bats over there.

I don't post over there but I usually love reading the threads. Our recent wave of activity has really brought some gems out of the woodwork.

[dbrodz7]

My god, bf.net is a cesspool.

You get yelled out of the room for suggesting that the Rays aren't going to give up Jake Odorizzi for our **** bench bats over there.

I don't post over there but I usually love reading the threads. Our recent wave of activity has really brought some gems out of the woodwork.

I was perusing over there earlier today and it looked like coolhandluke said he wouldn't trade Woodruff for Archer straight up and one guy just replied "come on you're better than that".

[DingleJerry]

My god, bf.net is a cesspool.

You get yelled out of the room for suggesting that the Rays aren't going to give up Jake Odorizzi for our **** bench bats over there.

Yea there's too much i'm 100% right and anyone that disagrees is an idiot going on lately. Rather than realizing there is a lot of different sides to most of all these things and just having a discussion from both sides. The one the last couple days about whether getting the OFs hurt Santana's value was horrible.

One guy: I think it probably did but it could have been that or several other things, who knows for sure. Especially since the insider said it.

Other guy: 100% no way leverage exists and you're a moron if suggest it.

First guy: I don't know for sure and neither do you but I certainly see how it could have been a factor

second: I'm not saying I do more than you but I do know for 100% that it wasn't a factor.

First guy: don't you see how you're completely contradicting yourself

Second: No I'm not but I'm 100% correct on this and you're in idiot if you disagree

[wichmae]

I stopped posting over there too. Everything is an argument on who actually knows more.

[wichmae]

This board is active enough to talk baseball. Plus you dont have most of the personalities that BF has

[BUCKnation]

I usually dont mind BF, but some of the trade proposals for Archer and the love affair with Salazar is hilarious. Some people are convinced we should trade Santana/Davies for Archer. Why in the world would we trade Santana and a pitcher nearly as good for Archer. Dude isn't Kershaw.

[Turk Nowitzki]

I usually dont mind BF, but some of the trade proposals for Archer and the love affair with Salazar is hilarious. Some people are convinced we should trade Santana/Davies for Archer. Why in the world would we trade Santana and a pitcher nearly as good for Archer. Dude isn't Kershaw.

I'm staying far away from this post.

[Gianstoppable]

I usually dont mind BF, but some of the trade proposals for Archer and the love affair with Salazar is hilarious. Some people are convinced we should trade Santana/Davies for Archer. Why in the world would we trade Santana and a pitcher nearly as good for Archer. Dude isn't Kershaw.

Id like to hear the analytical guys talk about this. Davies is a good pitcher but that's it, he doesn't blow by guys. Archer has good stuff but gets hit hard. Archer is usually near the top of the league in Ks and with our defense he could be much better (I believe the Rays have a nice defense too though) plus not having to face a DH is nice on top. Honestly, I'd probably do that trade

[jute2003]

Brewerfan has a different personality than realgm. It's exhausting to read. There's no shortage of people who have never been wrong on realgm though.

[humanrefutation]

We have higher standards here.

[El Duderino]

I think theres quite a few bidders who will be out of the mix. The Yankees and a few others have massive contracts coming off. I have to think though a bunch of those teams are rebuilding. Or would have to rebuild. Like you said the Tigers arent contending. CHI-WS not close. Toronto probably has to re-tool. Which leaves basically Texas, WAS, and SF with some money to spend. Then you have the mid tier teams like us and how much you think were going shell out. Or SEA for instance. I just dont know if all that money is there for those guys.

Minny has Mauer coming off so they could bid. Idk. Were going to really have to see if that money is out there.

It's a mix of what you posted and i just think that there is a pool of smarter GM's in baseball today compared to the past and these guys are less inclined to give 5-7 year mega deals to players already past the age of 30.

They've studied the history of these 125-150 plus million dollar deals to vets over 30 and seen how few times the contracts ended up being worth it. That's not to say there no longer will be any contracts like this, but i do think more teams will be very hesitant to make offers in that range for aging vets and that makes it harder for agents to gin up leverage of multiple teams offering mega contracts for their client/clients.

As for guys like Cobb and Lynn, i think it simply comes down to their agents wanting a lot more than they are worth and teams aren't biting.

[HaroldinGMinor]

We have higher standards here.

Higher standards of what?

[trwi7]

Had two guys go after me at some point during the night last night in the Syndergaard thread and saw their responses at about 8 am this morning. Wanted to respond but didn't. Came back on at around 1 pm and their posts were deleted (I swear I didn't report them.)

[BallinBucks420]

really want us to get another SP but I'm worried about a long 5 year contract at 20 plus mil/yr average which could come back and really hurt..hoping the longer it holds out we can get one of those top 4 SPs to a 2 or 3 year deal even if you have to pay a little more money

[BallinBucks420]

would you guys do a

Woodruff/Santana for Archer deal?? maybe we would have to throw in another prospect but that could maybe get it done depending on how much the rays like Santana...I wanna give phillips plenty of AB's in RF this year

[Turk Nowitzki]

would you guys do a

Woodruff/Santana for Archer deal?? maybe we would have to throw in another prospect but that could maybe get it done depending on how much the rays like Santana...I wanna give phillips plenty of AB's in RF this year

If that's all it took to get Archer it would've been done a long time ago. They want a lot more.

The insider guy at BF posted this last night:

From what I know, a trade of Santana, Phillips, Burnes and Peralta is what TB want's for Archer.

[Wisky4life]

I think we are still better off keeping Santana. Rather just sign a pitcher to free agency. I know we have a glut of outfielders but if he can keep producing like list year, why trade him.

[MickeyDavis]

I used to post occasionally at BF, before this forum opened, but stopped many years ago when I got a warning for using "excessive" punctuation!!

I used two !! instead of one !.