2025 ATL Thread - Burnes to have TJ surgery

Post #1421 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Dec 2, 2024 4:07 am

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BUCKnation · Post #1422 » by **BUCKnation** » Mon Dec 2, 2024 4:36 am

Am i missing something? 17m a year for Montas, who was passable at best.

Post #1423 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Dec 2, 2024 3:30 pm

BUCKnation wrote:Am i missing something? 17m a year for Montas, who was passable at best.

I think this is a prime case where they're paying for the underlying pitch data than the surface level ERA/FIP/etc.

Kerb Hohl · Post #1424 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Dec 2, 2024 6:51 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
BUCKnation wrote:Am i missing something? 17m a year for Montas, who was passable at best.

I think this is a prime case where they're paying for the underlying pitch data than the surface level ERA/FIP/etc.

He was still also coming back off of TJ, getting stronger as the year went by.

The Mets probably are going to have the same pitching lab and data we do. The same one where the Brewers turned Montas into an 11 K/9 pitcher vs. 7.5 K/9 with the Reds while not affecting the BB/9. xFIP was 3.5 with the Brewers and pitching is expensive.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #1425 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Mon Dec 2, 2024 8:48 pm

Underlies that he turned out to be a pretty shrewd deadline pickup considering the price of pitching and that we gave up basically nothing for him (barring a dramatic career resurrection for Joey Wiemer).

Thunder Muscle · Post #1426 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Tue Dec 3, 2024 4:26 am

Turk Nowitzki wrote:Underlies that he turned out to be a pretty shrewd deadline pickup considering the price of pitching and that we gave up basically nothing for him (barring a dramatic career resurrection for Joey Wiemer).

Think I saw the Reds already shipped Wiemer to the Royals as a throw-in with India.

RaoulDuke79 · Post #1427 » by **RaoulDuke79** » Tue Dec 3, 2024 4:45 pm

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Post #1428 » by **humanrefutation** » Tue Dec 3, 2024 7:54 pm

Not a traditionalist in general, but I don't like the Golden AB rule. I think one of the things that makes those late inning moments so extraordinary is how they organically come to be. It's taken away a bit if you get just bat a dude out of order.

They'd also have to figure out how it would work in terms of pinch hitting/pinch running. Let's say it's a one run game. Chourio is the scheduled lead off hitter, and lines a double. He's on second. But now, I want to use my Golden AB and have Chourio bat again. Does he get pinch run for at second? And if so, does that means he's essentially out of the game after his Golden AB? Or can I still keep him in by pinch hitting him for the scheduled batter? Would that mean I'd have two subs - a pinch runner and a pinch hitter? How would that work?

Thunder Muscle · Post #1429 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Tue Dec 3, 2024 8:16 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
BUCKnation wrote:Am i missing something? 17m a year for Montas, who was passable at best.

I think this is a prime case where they're paying for the underlying pitch data than the surface level ERA/FIP/etc.

He was still also coming back off of TJ, getting stronger as the year went by.

The Mets probably are going to have the same pitching lab and data we do. The same one where the Brewers turned Montas into an 11 K/9 pitcher vs. 7.5 K/9 with the Reds while not affecting the BB/9. xFIP was 3.5 with the Brewers and pitching is expensive.

I was surprised by 2Y 34M too. In that case should we have just picked up his option and see if he kept getting better? I actually thought his decline was a no brainer and was not chance he get around that per year. Clearly I was wrong.

LUKE23 · Post #1430 » by **LUKE23** » Tue Dec 3, 2024 8:59 pm

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This is literally one of the dumbest ideas I've ever seen in any sport, and I follow the NFL.

Post #1431 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Dec 3, 2024 9:32 pm

The Golden At-Bat is such a dumb idea, Stugotz came up with it like ten years ago.

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Post #1432 » by **MickeyDavis** » Wed Dec 4, 2024 4:24 am

So let's say Chourio is batting leadoff. You use him as the golden to hit for the #9 batter. And then he's up again. What if he gets a hit the first time? You have to use a pinch runner so he can bat again? So dumb.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1433 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Wed Dec 4, 2024 5:32 am

How about a golden bat rule instead. One at bat a game a player can use ANY type of bat they want. Have the pitcher wear a helmet or something.

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Post #1434 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Dec 5, 2024 5:50 pm

The A's of all teams landing Severino is extremely funny.

RaoulDuke79 · Post #1435 » by **RaoulDuke79** » Thu Dec 5, 2024 6:55 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:The A's of all teams landing Severino is extremely funny.

Yea...not sure what they're doing but it's the A's so whatever.

Post #1436 » by **MickeyDavis** » Thu Dec 5, 2024 7:01 pm

He goes from playing in New York to playing in a minor league park in Cowtown . Maybe that was the appeal, one extreme to the other.

wallus · Post #1437 » by **wallus** » Thu Dec 5, 2024 7:24 pm

Not the guy I would overpay for if I were the A's but whatever.

MikeIsGood · Post #1438 » by **MikeIsGood** » Thu Dec 5, 2024 8:29 pm

I think I recall seeing the As has to spend if they wanted to be able to receive revenue sharing. I don't know all the details, but basically it was expected they'd randomly (and ironically) spend now.

Soto on track for 15/750 is bananas.

Post #1439 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Dec 5, 2024 8:41 pm

MikeIsGood wrote:I think I recall seeing the As has to spend if they wanted to be able to receive revenue sharing. I don't know all the details, but basically it was expected they'd randomly (and ironically) spend now.

Soto on track for 15/750 is bananas.

When he goes to the Dodgers and $700 million is deferred until 2090 it's really not that bad.

MVP2110 · Post #1440 » by **MVP2110** » Sat Dec 7, 2024 10:23 pm

I love Willy Adames, I will miss him as a Brewer, and I'm glad he got his bag.

I'm glad the Brewers didn't give him that contract

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