2024 Managerial Candidates - Pat Murphy gets the nod

[jute2003]

No one gives a **** if it was a fair and reasonably offer. There's no salary cap for managers in baseball so you're worth what someone is willing to pay you. CC was worth $8 million a year and he reportedly felt responsible for resetting managerial pay. If MA is too stupid to see how easy this should have been he needs to get the **** out of ownership. This was a goddamn layup.

You admit it was a fair and reasonable offer but then also call Mark A cheap. You are completely ignoring nuance. Is Counsell a great manager? Yes, is he worth setting a record as the all time highest paid manager? I'm not sure. But I can't be mad at ownership when they literally offered to pay him more than anyone else.

No, they didn't! What are you talking about?

They did make him an offer that would have made him the highest paid manager.

[Kerb Hohl]

There is an odd Venn diagram of fans that always hate Counsell late in the season/in the playoffs, now mad at ownership for not making him the highest paid manager in baseball by double the salary.

Not RS, but a lot of others. Some people will never be happy.

[ReasonablySober]

You admit it was a fair and reasonable offer but then also call Mark A cheap. You are completely ignoring nuance. Is Counsell a great manager? Yes, is he worth setting a record as the all time highest paid manager? I'm not sure. But I can't be mad at ownership when they literally offered to pay him more than anyone else.

No, they didn't! What are you talking about?

They did make him an offer that would have made him the highest paid manager.

Only if you for some reason discount the two offers that would have paid him more.

I have no idea what you guys are doing on this one.

[MVP2110]

No one gives a **** if it was a fair and reasonably offer. There's no salary cap for managers in baseball so you're worth what someone is willing to pay you. CC was worth $8 million a year and he reportedly felt responsible for resetting managerial pay. If MA is too stupid to see how easy this should have been he needs to get the **** out of ownership. This was a goddamn layup.

You admit it was a fair and reasonable offer but then also call Mark A cheap. You are completely ignoring nuance. Is Counsell a great manager? Yes, is he worth setting a record as the all time highest paid manager? I'm not sure. But I can't be mad at ownership when they literally offered to pay him more than anyone else.

No, they didn't! What are you talking about?

The highest paid manager in MLB makes either 4 or 4.5 million, different sources say different things. The Brewers topped that by atleast 1 mil, therefore the offered to make him the highest paid manager in MLB. This isn't hard

[PG Graveyard]

As a Cubs fan I feel dirty about this. On one hand I think he’s the best manager in baseball. On the other hand the guy has frustrated me for a decade and it’s hard to comprehend rooting for him. Also the Cubs really did David Ross dirty here.

[Turk Nowitzki]

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A little late for this buddy

[ReasonablySober]

There is an odd Venn diagram of fans that always hate Counsell late in the season/in the playoffs, now mad at ownership for not making him the highest paid manager in baseball by double the salary.

Not RS, but a lot of others. Some people will never be happy.

I'm old enough to remember when the Brewers didn't make the playoffs or have winning seasons regularly. I remember Ken Macha.

[humanrefutation]

The fact that the Brewers would have made him the highest paid manager is meaningless because they got outbid by at least two clubs (and possibly others who have not been named). So it doesn't really matter - CC was going to reset the market either way.

The real question you have to ask yourselves is whether the Brewers were justified in not matching the Cubs offer. Was paying CC that extra $2.5M per season to match the offer worth it?

[jute2003]

No, they didn't! What are you talking about?

They did make him an offer that would have made him the highest paid manager.

Only if you for some reason discount the two offers that would have paid him more.

I have no idea what you guys are doing on this one.

No. If he would have accepted their offer, he would have been the highest paid manager.

[Kerb Hohl]

There is an odd Venn diagram of fans that always hate Counsell late in the season/in the playoffs, now mad at ownership for not making him the highest paid manager in baseball by double the salary.

Not RS, but a lot of others. Some people will never be happy.

I'm old enough to remember when the Brewers didn't make the playoffs or have winning seasons regularly. I remember Ken Macha.

In large part it was Stearns, development, ops, etc.

Macha, et al represent Doug Melvin, who was fine, but did what I think some wanted more on here: All-in some years, sacrifice it later.

[jute2003]

The fact that the Brewers would have made him the highest paid manager is meaningless because they got outbid by at least two clubs (and possibly others who have not been named). So it doesn't really matter - CC was going to reset the market either way.

The real question you have to ask yourselves is whether the Brewers were justified in not matching the Cubs offer. Was paying CC that extra $2.5M per season to match the offer worth it?

See, whether or not they should have matched is a discussion.

I'm not sure they should have.

It's not like they lowballed him though.

[MVP2110]

This as in all things comes down to money us commoners can't comprehend. We'd all love for the Brewers to go sign Shohei Ohtani or Juan Soto or whoever but they obviously won't. I'd have loved it if the Brewers brought Counsell back, but is Counsell worth nearly double what any other manager in MLB is worth? I highly doubt it. So yes if it was my money I'd of course had spent that but it's not. On the flip side if I was Counsell I'd have happily accepted being the highest paid manager in MLB and getting to manage the team I grew up rooting for instead of their biggest rival.

[Turk Nowitzki]

The real question you have to ask yourselves is whether the Brewers were justified in not matching the Cubs offer. Was paying CC that extra $2.5M per season to match the offer worth it?

You know from seeing Counsell operate what works in the clubhouse. Find someone else on the younger side who can keep it loose but professional and embraces analytics. You can always find some old school retread to be a bench coach or whatever. I think if they make the right type of hire it won't dramatically change their upcoming fortunes from what would've been under Counsell.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

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A little late for this buddy

Is he going to call David Ross as well?

[neiLz]

8 mil is a lot for a baseball manager...... but if you offer 5.5, what is literally 2.5 more mil for the best in the game? this team will continue to fall short. they are young and talented but burnes is gone, miley gone, woodruff hurt. its now peralta plus unprovens. The offense is still going to suck and I am not sure they will pay for any free agents outside of bargains...

How will Mark A respond to all this negative PR? Prolly by trading a bunch of young guys for a year rental of some 1B who can hit 40 bombs then leave after a year.

[jimmybones]

Really could not care less who manages, they need to add offensive talent, anyone can write the correct names on the line up card

[Kerb Hohl]

8 mil is a lot for a baseball manager...... but if you offer 5.5, what is literally 2.5 more mil for the best in the game? this team will continue to fall short. they are young and talented but burnes is gone, miley gone, woodruff hurt. its now peralta plus unprovens. The offense is still going to suck and I am not sure they will pay for any free agents outside of bargains...

How will Mark A respond to all this negative PR? Prolly by trading a bunch of young guys for a year rental of some 1B who can hit 40 bombs then leave after a year.

If you think all of those injury/departures argue in the favor of the team sucking in the near future, you think overpaying a manager is going to fix that?

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I also wonder if it was the years. If it was a 3 year extension at $8m, would CC have accepted? Brewers offer could've been 3/16.5, so instead of only $2.5m off, they were like 24m in guaranteed money off. I could easily see CC only lasting 3-4 years with the Cubs.

If the Brewers match, but they have a sell off in 2 years, do you really want to be paying $8m a year for a guy to coach a 70 win team?

[JimmyTheKid]

It's pretty clear to me that something happened with Mark behind closed doors that made Stearns and Counsell both want out.

Pretty simple and straightforward to me. The Mets have long been Stearns' dream job. And both guys probably felt "we've done all we can here" (under small market financial restraints). I even get Craig wanting to manage a better, more expensive roster to see how his skills translate. Any club but the Cubs and both departures make complete sense.

[MikeIsGood]

...why do the Brewers need the most expensive manager in baseball? I don't mean from the 'we have to outmanage because we can't outspend!' position, either. I mean...what are we going to do with him with the team we got and the moves we all know are coming? We were going to pay him double what we'd realistically pay someone else so that we could keep on a wildcard loss treadmill?

By all means, **** that guy for going to the Cubs, even if it is what money dictated. And by all means, **** MA for being cheaper than we all feel he needs to be, even considering we're a small market. But I also think I get this one.