2024 Managerial Candidates - Pat Murphy gets the nod

WeekapaugGroove · Post #181 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Mon Nov 6, 2023 7:43 pm

This is embarrassing

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MikeIsGood · Post #182 » by **MikeIsGood** » Mon Nov 6, 2023 7:43 pm

JimmyTheKid wrote:
dbrodz7 wrote:It's pretty clear to me that something happened with Mark behind closed doors that made Stearns and Counsell both want out.

Pretty simple and straightforward to me. The Mets have long been Stearns' dream job. And both guys probably felt "we've done all we can here" (under small market financial restraints). I even get Craig wanting to manage a better, more expensive roster to see how his skills translate. Any club but the Cubs and both departures make complete sense.

Yeah definitely not convinced there's anything to read into here. I think this is it exactly.

jute2003 · Post #183 » by **jute2003** » Mon Nov 6, 2023 7:45 pm

[quote="MikeIsGood"][quote="JimmyTheKid"][quote="dbrodz7"]It's pretty clear to me that something happened with Mark behind closed doors that made Stearns and Counsell both want out.[/quote]

Pretty simple and straightforward to me. The Mets have long been Stearns' dream job. And both guys probably felt "we've done all we can here" (under small market financial restraints). I even get Craig wanting to manage a better, more expensive roster to see how his skills translate. Any club but the Cubs and both departures make complete sense.[/quote]

Yeah definitely not convinced there's anything to read into here. I think this is it exactly.[/quote]

Egos and butting heads and general dipshittery are always a possibility but I dont think there's anything out there that points to this here yet.

Post #184 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Nov 6, 2023 7:45 pm

Queue up Rick Schlesinger on TV talking up X-Golf and the Leinie Barrelhouse.

Thunder Muscle · Post #185 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Mon Nov 6, 2023 7:47 pm

MikeIsGood wrote:
JimmyTheKid wrote:
dbrodz7 wrote:It's pretty clear to me that something happened with Mark behind closed doors that made Stearns and Counsell both want out.

Pretty simple and straightforward to me. The Mets have long been Stearns' dream job. And both guys probably felt "we've done all we can here" (under small market financial restraints). I even get Craig wanting to manage a better, more expensive roster to see how his skills translate. Any club but the Cubs and both departures make complete sense.

Yeah definitely not convinced there's anything to read into here. I think this is it exactly.

Agreed. The Cubs is the only part that was truly surprising. But take out the fan perspective, it makes sense as it was a team that nearly made the playoffs that has nice pieces and money to spend. And just happens to be in a location that is fairly familiar and not far from home.

MVP2110 · Post #186 » by **MVP2110** » Mon Nov 6, 2023 7:49 pm

I just continue to get turned off by baseball at such a rapid pace these days. Honestly the only reason I keep watching is because it's the only sport in the summer. The Brewers are essentially the equivalent of a G5 in college football. The system is rigged for big markets

Thunder Muscle · Post #187 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Mon Nov 6, 2023 7:50 pm

Who do we want to target now? Obviously Astros and Padres are 2 attractive jobs still open. I think our gig is probably better than the Angels who will lose Ohtani and may trade Trout.

Post #188 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Nov 6, 2023 7:50 pm

Read on Twitter

Thunder Muscle · Post #189 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Mon Nov 6, 2023 7:52 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:

Read on Twitter

Thanks Barry, was eagerly awaiting your input.

Post #190 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Nov 6, 2023 7:53 pm

Thunder Muscle wrote:Who do we want to target now? Obviously Astros and Padres are 2 attractive jobs still open. I think our gig is probably better than the Angels who will lose Ohtani and may trade Trout.

This is the worst part about all this. Provided CC and Stearns don't take all the existing infrastructure with them, the Brewers only real hope is they have an internal option ready to go.

Kerb Hohl · Post #191 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Nov 6, 2023 7:56 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
Thunder Muscle wrote:Who do we want to target now? Obviously Astros and Padres are 2 attractive jobs still open. I think our gig is probably better than the Angels who will lose Ohtani and may trade Trout.

This is the worst part about all this. Provided CC and Stearns don't take all the existing infrastructure with them, the Brewers only real hope is they have an internal option ready to go.

Didn't CC groom Arnold?

We hope that Arnold continues to be an extension of Stearns. Hire a good, internal clubhouse guy to manage and hand him some spreadsheets.

Ron Swanson · Post #192 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Nov 6, 2023 7:58 pm

I'm never gonna fault a guy, player or coach, for getting that bag. But sorry, miss me with the "Aww shucks, I'm a hometown kid and it means something to be here" bull ****, Craig. It was always just about the money, nothing else.

MVP2110 · Post #193 » by **MVP2110** » Mon Nov 6, 2023 7:59 pm

The Brewers have an owner who outspends his market size by quite a bit & has been one of the best run teams in MLB for nearly a decade. It's resulted in 8 straight big market WS winners and the Brewers only getting close once. Honestly the Brewers have basically no shot

Iheartfootball · Post #194 » by **Iheartfootball** » Mon Nov 6, 2023 8:04 pm

So many emotional takes here - and I understand, however, CC doesn't owe MKE or the fans anything. He's allowed to look for any managerial position he wants to. No one knows what his current relationship with MA and the organization is. $2.5/per season more? Yeah, I'm not taking a discount either.

I understand being upset but it's irrational to take it so personally. But I guess that's part of being a fan(atic).

jimmybones · Post #195 » by **jimmybones** » Mon Nov 6, 2023 8:04 pm

Brewers probably told him they are rebuilding, rightfully so. And he took a pay raise and better opportunity to win with a team with deeper pockets to build a competitive team. I don't really blame either side, or care that much.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #196 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Mon Nov 6, 2023 8:16 pm

I don't really care from the baseball perspective. I'm more annoyed by my **** talking cubs fan friends having more ammo. The poverty franchise and we took your stadium now your manager texts have already began.

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Matches Malone · Post #197 » by **Matches Malone** » Mon Nov 6, 2023 8:19 pm

I've heard only good things about Carlos Villanueva. I wouldn't be opposed to just giving him the gig. **** it.

Thunder Muscle · Post #198 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Mon Nov 6, 2023 8:22 pm

MVP2110 wrote:The Brewers have an owner who outspends his market size by quite a bit & has been one of the best run teams in MLB for nearly a decade. It's resulted in 8 straight big market WS winners and the Brewers only getting close once. Honestly the Brewers have basically no shot

It has been a weird last 5 years to be honest. I agree in that if you look at Mark A's track record as owner, it is probably pretty good --- especially when compared to small markets. I mean similar teams like Pittsburgh and Cincinnati I don't think have really been consistent at all nor on the door step of a World Series in the last 20 years. Mark A is somewhat a victim of his own success as we
have been close and feel we're one player away, but don't necessarily always get that big free agent. That is where the economic landscape of baseball hurts us. We pony up for a guy like Yelich and then if falls off, we're screwed. Other big markets can just absorb it. So many things have to hit just right. Even look at Tampa Bay, a model organization for many, so many things have to go right and even they haven't cashed in a WS title.

Then you have the optics of last year and trading Hader. It was a good trade BUT it does send mixed messages. You're sitting in 1st-2nd place and the trade (like it or not), looks like a sell move. And the Burnes arbitration was more bad optics. This is going to look like they were looking to saving money. And then when/if we start trading Burnes, Adames, etc off; it is going to draw the ire of looking cheap. I

I don't know where I'm going with this, but I think its that I do think Mark A probably gets a little more scorn that what is deserved. Our last 20 years where definitely better than the 15-20 previously, especially that 1990-2003 era. I think Attanasio bought in 2003 or 2004. I think doing away with the fan fests and stuff like that is justified criticism. But on the field I do think he probably is willing to spend when it feels right. Maybe it is a MLB issue, not Brewers specific. I like to think every team if built correctly can win a World Series, but maybe I'm naive.

JimmyTheKid · Post #199 » by **JimmyTheKid** » Mon Nov 6, 2023 8:23 pm

Iheartfootball wrote:So many emotional takes here - and I understand, however, CC doesn't owe MKE or the fans anything. He's allowed to look for any managerial position he wants to. No one knows what his current relationship with MA and the organization is. $2.5/per season more? Yeah, I'm not taking a discount either.

I understand being upset but it's irrational to take it so personally. But I guess that's part of being a fan(atic).

While all true, I hope Craig feels serious regret and embarrassment every time he returns in that Lovable Losers uni and AmFam is 60% Cubs fans.

JimmyTheKid · Post #200 » by **JimmyTheKid** » Mon Nov 6, 2023 8:23 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:I don't really care from the baseball perspective. I'm more annoyed by my **** talking cubs fan friends having more ammo. The poverty franchise and we took your stadium now your manager texts have already began.

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Haha same. Its been a rough day on that front.

Pick 2: Who do you want to manage the Brewers in 2024?