General Baseball Chat Thread

Black Jesus 1 · Post #181 » by **Black Jesus 1** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 3:11 am

How many playoff games did you guys win?

Exactly.

livestrong4ever · Post #182 » by **livestrong4ever** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 3:39 am

2007 season is zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

trwi7 · Post #183 » by **trwi7** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 4:28 am

SportsWorld wrote:http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7635010

The day I take something Dayn Perry writes seriously is the same day I take something Tim McCarver says seriously.

Yeah now I know why I don't take Perry seriously.

-Hall is just barely above Pie? :rofl:

-Fukudome and Hart is a push? No Hart>Fukudome
-Soto will probably be better than Kendall but Cubs fans are expecting too much imo.
-Joe Dillon playing LF? Is he high? It would be Gross getting most of the playing time with Dillon playing vs lefties.

Also how is the rotation "potentially" a big edge to the Cubs? If anything it's potentially a big edge to the Brewers. If Sheets stays healthy (I know big if), Gallardo and Villanueva in the rotation from the start and a Cappy getting more lucky and that could be a huge edge for the Brewers.

Eric Gagne may wind up as an effective closer for the Brewers, but given his struggles in Boston last season he's something less than a known quantity going forward.

Kerry Wood figures to give them the dominating, shutdown closer they've lacked for so long.

Anybody find these two quotes hilarious?

Yes, Gagne struggled in Boston for 18 innings, however he was good in Texas. Both have injury concerns but Gagne is a huge question while Wood is a shutdown closer. Yeah, no bias there.

Black Jesus 1 · Post #184 » by **Black Jesus 1** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:06 am

Soooo

trwi7 · Post #185 » by **trwi7** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:08 am

Black Jesus 1 wrote:Soooo

Dan Haren is teh sechsy.

Black Jesus 1 · Post #186 » by **Black Jesus 1** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:29 am

Dan Haren > Your entire rotation

trwi7 · Post #187 » by **trwi7** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:43 am

Black Jesus 1 wrote:Dan Haren > Your entire rotation

Yovani Gallardo will pwn Dan Haren, as will Sheets. Brewers rotation as a whole>D'Bags rotation. LOLZ Doug Davis.

cam2win · Post #188 » by **cam2win** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:33 pm

Black Jesus 1 wrote:Dan Haren > Your entire rotation

Every Brewer position player >> Every D Backs position player

Black Jesus 1 · Post #189 » by **Black Jesus 1** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:43 am

^And we all know how that played out. You guys choked it.

Hudson > Your scrubby 2B btw

Snyder > Jason Kendall :rofl:

livestrong4ever · Post #190 » by **livestrong4ever** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:56 am

Black Jesus 1 wrote:^And we all know how that played out. You guys choked it.

Hudson > Your scrubby 2B btw

Snyder > Jason Kendall

weeks is killa what you been smoking mother clucker.

trwi7 · Post #191 » by **trwi7** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:09 am

Black Jesus 1 wrote:^And we all know how that played out. You guys choked it.

Hudson > Your scrubby 2B btw

Snyder > Jason Kendall

lawlz our 2B was hurt all year and still posted comparable numbers to yours. lawlz at Hudson being better than Weeks.

Black Jesus 1 · Post #192 » by **Black Jesus 1** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:13 am

trwi7 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

lawlz our 2B was hurt all year and still posted comparable numbers to yours. lawlz at Hudson being better than Weeks.

Hudson's D is 10X that of that clown
Comparable? Ehhhhhhhhhhhh
Dude can't hit in big situations to save his life
Hudson is teh pwn w/ RISP, RISP w/2outs

And I know Weeks batted lead off, but those numbers are still the most horrific things I've ever seen

trwi7 · Post #193 » by **trwi7** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:28 am

Black Jesus 1 wrote:
Hudson's D is 10X that of that clown
Comparable? Ehhhhhhhhhhhh
Dude can't hit in big situations to save his life
Hudson is teh pwn w/ RISP, RISP w/2outs

And I know Weeks batted lead off, but those numbers are still the most horrific things I've ever seen

1. Never said anything about his D. Everyone knows Hudson is better at D.

2. Weeks .235/.374/.433 16 HR, 25 SB, 2 CS
Hudson .294/.376/.441 10 HR, 10 SB, 2 CS

Comparable FTW!

I don't really put much stock in RISP, it varies from year to year and it's a small sample from year to year as well. Also, it's pretty easy to pitch to a guy when you know he can't hold up his bat on offspeed pitches due to a wrist injury.

Ruben Douglas · Post #194 » by **Ruben Douglas** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 3:08 pm

trwi7 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Anybody find these two quotes hilarious?

Yes, Gagne struggled in Boston for 18 innings, however he was good in Texas. Both have injury concerns but Gagne is a huge question while Wood is a shutdown closer. Yeah, no bias there.

The Wood comment is definitely off base. His Gagne assessment is dead on. Gagne isn't a huge question? Take the blinders off.

Ruben Douglas · Post #195 » by **Ruben Douglas** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 3:11 pm

.235 BA
.295 BA

The comparison should stop there. O-Hud was better than Weeks last year, it's stupid to debate that.

Next year is a different story. Weeks will be better and I'm pretty sure O-Hud has reached his peak, let's see if he can maintain it.

Ruben Douglas · Post #196 » by **Ruben Douglas** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 3:13 pm

And try to remember that when it comes to Trwi, he will always throw as many numbers as he can at you when comparing players, which he loves to do. Last off-season he was trying to tell me that Geoff Jenkins is just as good as Soriano because his numbers were "comparable". It's just part of Trwi's charm.

trwi7 · Post #197 » by **trwi7** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 5:02 pm

Ruben Douglas wrote:The Wood comment is definitely off base. His Gagne assessment is dead on. Gagne isn't a huge question? Take the blinders off.

Where did I say Gagne wasn't a huge question? I said saying Gagne is a huge question but then calling Wood a shutdown closer is biased.

Ruben Douglas wrote:.235 BA
.295 BA

The comparison should stop there. O-Hud was better than Weeks last year, it's stupid to debate that.

Ahahahahahaha. Tell me why it should stop there? Because batting average is a good way to judge a hitter? Joe Morgan, is that you?

Ruben Douglas wrote:And try to remember that when it comes to Trwi, he will always throw as many numbers as he can at you when comparing players, which he loves to do.

Gee now why would I do that? Hmm I can't imagine maybe because comparing their numbers is the only way to compare them?

Ruben Douglas wrote:Last off-season he was trying to tell me that Geoff Jenkins is just as good as Soriano because his numbers were "comparable".

Tell me why I was wrong.

Last offseason their career numbers were...

Soriano .280/.328/.510/.838
Jenkins .279/.352/.499/.851

Soriano is faster, Jenkins the better defender. Come on tell me why I'm wrong. Is it because Soriano is a "star player?"

Post #198 » by **GYBE** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 5:42 pm

trwi7 wrote:Tell me why I was wrong.

Last offseason their career numbers were...

Soriano .280/.328/.510/.838
Jenkins .279/.352/.499/.851

Soriano is faster, Jenkins the better defender. Come on tell me why I'm wrong. Is it because Soriano is a "star player?"

No, It's because Jenkins best years were in 99-00, while Soriano's were in 06-07. Career numbers aren't exactly a perfect indicator when Jenkins was at his best 8 years ago. Soriano is in the middle of his prime. Soriano was 100 points better in OPS last season. And he also rated as a better defender last season by most metrics, one of the best in baseball actually. And he's faster, as you mentioned. Is that enough?

trwi7 · Post #199 » by **trwi7** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 5:48 pm

GYBE wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

No, It's because Jenkins best years were in 99-00, while Soriano's were in 06-07. Jenkins prime was years ago and Soriano is in the middle of his. Soriano was 100 points better in OPS last season. And he also rated as a better defender last season by most metrics, one of the best in baseball actually. Is that enough?

We're not talking about last year, we're talking about after the 2006 season. Jenkins also had very good years in 2003 and 2005, better than Soriano.

Look at what each did when Soriano finally started. Jenkins was better in 2001, 2003 and 2005 and Soriano was better in 2002, 2004 and 2006.

Post #200 » by **GYBE** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 5:58 pm

Except that until 2006, Soriano was a 2nd baseman. Which is a lot more demanding on your body, and his offense was a lot more valuable from the position. Which is why he was a better player in more years than you give him credit for.

Soriano WARP's

06: 6.4
05: 4.0
04: 4.7
03: 8.0
02: 8.7

Jenkins

06: 3.3
05: 6.9
04: 2.8
03: 4.8
02: 2.3

Plus, Soriano's hitting has obviously improved since moving to the OF. As I said, Jenkins hasn't really been better since 2001.