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Post#241 » by MickeyDavis » Sat Jun 1, 2024 2:37 pm

Some snippets of Attanasio interview last night

It sounds like Attanasio and the Brewers explored keeping shortstop Willy Adames in Milwaukee long-term but extension discussion seem to have reached what was the most likely outcome all along: that Adames’ performance had put him on a trajectory to hit the open market after this season.

“He’s the best,” Attanasio said. “Yes, there were conversations. Willy’s performance got to a point where it would be – we’ll see what happens after the season – but he’s going to command quite a significant package as a free agent. The best thing I can say about that is we had plenty of offers for Willy Adames this off-season. If you put (them) into an analytic model there may have been some merit to build for the future.


“But you just can’t put a price on his leadership, his posting every day. Willy Adames does not want to miss a game. So guess what, now Wiliam Contreras doesn’t want to miss a game. We’ve developed a culture and Willy’s a key.”

General manager Matt Arnold, who was also present, was then asked if that meant Adames will be off the table come the trade deadline in two months.

“From my perspective you can never close the door on anything, but he is the heartbeat of our team in a lot of ways,” Arnold said. “Always want to stay open minded but also recognize the value that he brings to us everyday.”

“Everyday,” Attanasio echoed.


Attanasio made it clear he does not see any merit to sending Jackson Chourio, who’s batting .210 with a .582 OPS, to Class AAA Nashville at the current rate.

“Player development is critical for this organization,” he said. “I’ve told Matt and I’ve told Murphy – and everybody knows how desperately I want to win – that if they feel they need to develop players, we’re going to do that and make sacrifice for a win here or there. Watching as more of a fan, I don’t see where (Chourio) is going to learn anything at AAA at this point.

“And so if you look for development signs, he let a ball drop (earlier this week) but he also made a sliding catch and kept the game in check shortly thereafter. I’m completely good with being patient with Jackson and, frankly, anyone else Matt wants to. Last year, Brice Turang did a lot of learning at the big league level and look at where he is now.”
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Post#242 » by ReasonablySober » Sat Jun 1, 2024 2:48 pm

Glad to hear that about Chourio. There's no reason to send him down. Keep him a regular in the lineup and let him take his lumps against the best pitching possible.
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Post#244 » by WeekapaugGroove » Sun Jun 2, 2024 11:29 pm

I was all for trading Adames this winter but right now it wouldn't make any sense. Yes Ortiz or Turang can play SS but there isn't anyone to take their spots if you move them. The Frelick at 3rd thing was a fun spring topic but he hasn't hit well enough to deserve to play anywhere.

You're 13 games over 500, at this point you need to see where this season takes you and if he leaves this winter so be it. At least you get a draft pick.

Now if they implode over the next two months then sure it could make sense at the deadline.

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Post#245 » by ReasonablySober » Sun Jun 2, 2024 11:54 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:I was all for trading Adames this winter but right now it wouldn't make any sense. Yes Ortiz or Turang can play SS but there isn't anyone to take their spots if you move them. The Frelick at 3rd thing was a fun spring topic but he hasn't hit well enough to deserve to play anywhere.

You're 13 games over 500, at this point you need to see where this season takes you and if he leaves this winter so be it. At least you get a draft pick.

Now if they implode over the next two months then sure it could make sense at the deadline.

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There's Dunn, Miller, and Monasterio on the 40 man.

But yea, it would take a crazy deal to move Willy, and I don't see a team doing that for a few months rental.
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Post#246 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Jun 3, 2024 1:44 am

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:I was all for trading Adames this winter but right now it wouldn't make any sense. Yes Ortiz or Turang can play SS but there isn't anyone to take their spots if you move them. The Frelick at 3rd thing was a fun spring topic but he hasn't hit well enough to deserve to play anywhere.

You're 13 games over 500, at this point you need to see where this season takes you and if he leaves this winter so be it. At least you get a draft pick.

Now if they implode over the next two months then sure it could make sense at the deadline.

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There's Dunn, Miller, and Monasterio on the 40 man.

But yea, it would take a crazy deal to move Willy, and I don't see a team doing that for a few months rental.
If that trio was currently the 3rd base situation I would be saying they should trade for a rental.

And yeah, the fact there likely isn't some awesome trade sitting there for Adames factors in too.

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The Brewers announced Thursday that right-hander Mitch White has been designated for assignment. His spot on the active roster goes to righty Kevin Herget, who has been recalled from Triple-A Nashville.

Milwaukee acquired White from the Giants in exchange for cash just under three weeks ago. San Francisco had also designated the right-hander for assignment prior to that swap. White made six appearances with the Brewers, pitching 8 1/3 innings and yielding six earned runs on eight hits and four walks (two of them intentional). He punched out six batters. On the season as a whole, White has tossed 23 2/3 innings and been roughed up for a 7.23 ERA between the Blue Jays, Giants and Brewers. He’s fanned just 11.8% of his opponents against a matching 11.8% walk rate.


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Post#250 » by Thunder Muscle » Mon Jun 3, 2024 7:45 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:I was all for trading Adames this winter but right now it wouldn't make any sense. Yes Ortiz or Turang can play SS but there isn't anyone to take their spots if you move them. The Frelick at 3rd thing was a fun spring topic but he hasn't hit well enough to deserve to play anywhere.

You're 13 games over 500, at this point you need to see where this season takes you and if he leaves this winter so be it. At least you get a draft pick.

Now if they implode over the next two months then sure it could make sense at the deadline.

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Post#251 » by Kerb Hohl » Mon Jun 3, 2024 7:54 pm

Shortstop also is not relief pitcher.

The Brewers actually might have a chance at doing it, but it's hard to replicate a 5 WAR shortstop like Adames is playing at.

I'm pretty sure their line of thinking in 2022 was - "our team isn't great anyways, but we can just roughly take Hader's finally 25 innings for this season and replace him in the aggregate with Taylor Rogers + Matt Bush and have like a 5% dropoff."

The people that are afraid to admit they were wrong about that trade wrong on other boards or social medias when discussing that trade still claim, "it cost them a playoff spot." I'm not saying that is completely wrong, because Bush and Rogers didn't pitch great - but the difference between that number of innings should not matter much.
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I'm probably getting ahead of myself and should knock on wood, but if Hall can just be ready for September to ramp up for the playoffs and be a 2 inning flamethrower, it's almost as effective as Burnes when you factor in Ortiz...and then you also add in that we have these guys for 5 more years beyond this one.


And then you add in that we got the 34th overall pick from them in the draft as part of the package.
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Post#259 » by Ron Swanson » Mon Jun 3, 2024 8:42 pm

Pretty wild to me that "cheat the strike zone better" is the go-to retort for getting screwed by officiating. Robo umps can't get here soon enough.
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