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Post#241 » by WEFFPIM » Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:15 am

I can't really fault Ned for tonight's debacle. Blame the hitters, blame Jim Skaalen (who's dodging a lot of this for some reason) for tonight's crappy showing. And I don't even think Yost sets the infield defense if the 10th inning, bases loaded, 1 out situation is going to be brought up. That's either Simmons or Sveum.
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Post#242 » by ReasonablySober » Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:15 am

The 10th was something so ridiculous that I sat back and though, "Wait...Yost's being paid millions. Maybe I'm missing something".

One out. You had one of the bases loaded with one of the league's best base runners on 3rd and a double play machine at the plate.

And you play the infield.................in?
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Post#243 » by ReasonablySober » Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:17 am

WEFFPIM wrote:I can't really fault Ned for tonight's debacle. Blame the hitters, blame Jim Skaalen (who's dodging a lot of this for some reason) for tonight's crappy showing. And I don't even think Yost sets the infield defense if the 10th inning, bases loaded, 1 out situation is going to be brought up. That's either Simmons or Sveum.


Fire someone. It's inexcusable.
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Post#244 » by trwi7 » Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:26 am

WEFFPIM wrote:I can't really fault Ned for tonight's debacle. Blame the hitters, blame Jim Skaalen (who's dodging a lot of this for some reason) for tonight's crappy showing. And I don't even think Yost sets the infield defense if the 10th inning, bases loaded, 1 out situation is going to be brought up. That's either Simmons or Sveum.


Playing the infield in, which Ned went out and specifically told them to do was inexcusable.
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Post#245 » by paulpressey25 » Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:09 pm

It is just a matter of time.......



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Post#246 » by Ryan5UW » Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:27 pm

WEFFPIM wrote:I can't really fault Ned for tonight's debacle. Blame the hitters, blame Jim Skaalen (who's dodging a lot of this for some reason) for tonight's crappy showing. And I don't even think Yost sets the infield defense if the 10th inning, bases loaded, 1 out situation is going to be brought up. That's either Simmons or Sveum.


Yost is the manager of the team, I think he'd kind of have the last say on how the infield is set. IF it was Simmons or Sveum, Yost would have the ability to say "no, play them this way". Well, in theory he would, but he'd have to be smart enough to figure that out first, which probably isn't the case.
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Post#247 » by MickeyDavis » Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:36 pm

No doubt Simmons is the manager in waiting. The question is what makes him qualified? He's been strictly a front office guy since he retired and hasn't managed or even coached at all at any level.

If we have to hire another ex Brewer as manager hell I'd give it to Gumby. At least he's managed the Woodchucks.
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Post#248 » by Ryan5UW » Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:44 pm

I don't want to watch us go through unproven coach after unproven coach. We've made huge payroll strides, we've got the roster - let's get a proven coach, someone we know can win.
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Post#249 » by MickeyDavis » Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:44 pm

Ryan5UW wrote:I don't want to watch us go through unproven coach after unproven coach. We've made huge payroll strides, we've got the roster - let's get a proven coach, someone we know can win.


Who's available that fits that criteria and is available mid season?
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Post#250 » by Ryan5UW » Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:18 pm

That's a good question, I don't know. If it happened mid season, Simmons might get the gig the rest of the way. I'm just saying more long term, I think a proven winner would be better. I know the Bucks have other problems as well, but their coaching situation has been a joke since Karl left.
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Post#251 » by Ryan5UW » Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:34 pm

How about Ken Macha?
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Post#252 » by msiris » Sat Apr 26, 2008 4:02 pm

Does anyone remember the 60 minutes show where they had this guy on who is with the Red Sox now. He has studied the game stats wise over many years and that playing the % rarely works out. Like bunting guys over rarely works out. I found it very interesting.
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Post#253 » by MickeyDavis » Sat Apr 26, 2008 4:43 pm

Bill James has been doing statistical analysis for years. His "Baseball Abstract" was a bible for stats guys. I used to love reading it. He created a lot of new stats and currently works for the Red Sox and advises Epstein.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_James
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Post#254 » by livestrong4ever » Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:01 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:Bill James has been doing statistical analysis for years. His "Baseball Abstract" was a bible for stats guys. I used to love reading it. He created a lot of new stats and currently works for the Red Sox and advises Epstein.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_James


That sucks you have to pay to look at his site. It looks very interesting. Are there any of his old artcles still on the interenet some where 4 free?
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Post#255 » by MickeyDavis » Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:21 pm

James has written a ton of baseball stat books. I don't always agree with his thinking but he's always coming up with something interesting. Win Shares for example. He came up with that a few years ago and published an interesting book (over 700 pages). He spends over 100 pages just explaining how he came up with the system. All very interesting. But that book runs about $75.

His website costs $3 a month but is very interesting. You can take a free tour and read some of his stuff. He's not always right of course. He argued (before the awards were announced) that Holliday should be the MVP and Tulowitski should be ROY.
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Post#256 » by MickeyDavis » Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:23 pm

Here is a link to his article on U-Scores. Very interesting.

http://www.billjamesonline.net/toursite ... s.aspx?x=1
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Post#257 » by trwi7 » Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:41 pm

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Who's available that fits that criteria and is available mid season?


Phil Garner. :lol:

WEFFPIM, Ned did set the defense. He went out there when Mota loaded the bases and specifically talked about the defensive alignment.
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Post#258 » by MickeyDavis » Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:00 pm

I'd bring back Tom Trebelhorn. He had ONE losing season out of 5 and we fired him after going 83-79.
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Post#259 » by Ayt » Sat Apr 26, 2008 9:03 pm

I'm pretty surprised you've been a Bill James fan, MD.
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Post#260 » by msiris » Sun Apr 27, 2008 3:29 am

MickeyDavis wrote:Here is a link to his article on U-Scores. Very interesting.

http://www.billjamesonline.net/toursite ... s.aspx?x=1
Thanks for the great link MD. So cool. :D
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