Escobar, Cain, Odirizzi and Jeffress for Greinke+

[Balls2TheWalls]

If I am Ron Roenicke, I would definitely be walking with some pep in my step. Marcum and Greinke? Feels good man.

[MetroDrugUnit]

I I'd love to grab Cameron and/or Renteria; both should be had for relatively little.[/quote]

+1

I saw that Renteria didn't like the low ball offer SF just made him. Thing is when you start putting a nice team together (Miami Heat) veterans will want to come and for less then it would take to go to a loser.

[livestrong4ever]

this sports day can't get much better.
this trade.
and now the eagles finish.
cant think of a much better day besides a championship

[Jollay]

Gotta like the move, but we did give up a lot, both now and for the future, especially for an organization with very little pitching in the minors.

Crew is weak up the middle now, but the Giants proved pitching is more important than a few position players short....

[Balls2TheWalls]

Betancourt seeing playing time would definitely take away from the high I am feeling at this point.

I think Renteria is a great fit if he is interested.

[UWM_Brew_Buck]

Great deal, amazing if they can sign him long term. If they cant get him signed to another deal we get can Ace for 1.5-2 years that can be flipped for prospects or picks. Its crazy how good Melvin can be with making trades and how horrible he can be when signing other teams FA's.

[Turk Nowitzki]

Hopefully Melvin was just doing his whole GM speak thing to praise Betancourt and got a little excited. I'm allowed to hope right?

[JayMKE]

I like the idea of signing Renteria(or Punto) and Counsell then trading for Cameron)

really hope we don't stand pat with Gomez and Betencourt

[AlwysDrearynMKE]

There are ZERO negatives in this deal. The Brewers gave up nobody proven for a Cy Young pitcher. This is, frankly, awesome. Best news in 2+ years. Is it enough to get into the playoffs?

[Balls2TheWalls]

I think that this trade really puts an exclamation point on how good the Marcum deal was. Marcum has put up absolutely great numbers, and while Lowrie looked to be a great prospect, we did not gut our farm system for him.

Greinke, Gallardo, Marcum, Wolf

Feeling pretty good about 1-4.

[LUKE23]

There are ZERO negatives in this deal. The Brewers gave up nobody proven for a Cy Young pitcher. This is, frankly, awesome. Best news in 2+ years. Is it enough to get into the playoffs?

Well, that is how this will be judged. If we don't make the playoffs the trade would definitely be a loss. Hell, you could argue we should advance. We sure didn't make this deal to try and win 85 games.

[livestrong4ever]

I think that this trade really puts an exclamation point on how good the Marcum deal was. Marcum has put up absolutely great numbers, and while Lowrie looked to be a great prospect, we did not gut our farm system for him.

Greinke, Gallardo, Marcum, Wolf

Feeling pretty good about 1-4.

hell yeah, macrum would of been easily our best pitcher on our team last year. now he may be the third best depending on if gallardo progresses more.
usually top of the tier AL pitchers succeed coming over to the NL because, their isn't so much offensive power. man i am pumped about this season, might even have to get a ticket package if my health is good.

[Ruben Douglas]

Nice move by the Brewers in order to compete this season. I would have made the trade if I were the Brewers. You all have reason to rejoice. But I have a couple of questions...the first set up by this trade. And the rest just questions about the team.

1. Greinke = Sabathia?
What if Greinke doesn't pitch as well as Sabathia did? Because in all honesty, that is what the immediate comparison of this deal has been. Grienke is good, and can be real good, but his numbers weren't great last season.

2. Fielder walking.
The Brewers may get draft picks but draft picks are even more of an unknown quantity than current prospects. And what many people don't realize is that there is a team south of Milwaukee with a lot of money coming off the books next season in need of a LH power hitting first baseman. Without this trade, it was likely that the Brewers would have been able to get more in return if they worked out an Adrian Gonzalez type deal...which I thought would happen and yank Fielder off the market. So...what if Fielder walks, Brewers only get a couple of sandwich picks, and a team like the Cubs or St. Louis (if Pujols walks) land Fielder?

3. SS, CF
Betancourt is obviously not the solution at SS and isn't a great defensive player. Gomez, a cheap option but obviously an eye sore at the plate. If this is an all or nothing, let's destroy our farm system to win type of year...wouldn't it make sense to keep trading for players at these two positions?

4. RF
Corey Hart...am I the only one that doesn't buy into this guy? They should have traded him for pitching when they had the chance, maybe even saving Lawrie or Cain by eliminating the need to trade for Marcum. Look at the disparity between his first and second half stats. What if Corey Hart goes back to hitting .260 with approx. 20 hr's?

5. Defense
Good pitching can make a team Defense look better. But after this trade, isn't the Brewers overall Defense worse? I honestly am not sure, that's why I'm asking.

Regardless of all these questions, it's still early in the offseason and you can't argue with the position you find yourself in today considering where you were yesterday. I'm just saying, be careful what you wish for and try to look longer than 1.5 years into the future.

[DanoMac]

F*ck the Cubs.

[trwi7]

There are ZERO negatives in this deal. The Brewers gave up nobody proven for a Cy Young pitcher. This is, frankly, awesome. Best news in 2+ years. Is it enough to get into the playoffs?

Well, that is how this will be judged. If we don't make the playoffs the trade would definitely be a loss. Hell, you could argue we should advance. We sure didn't make this deal to try and win 85 games.

Yep. Playoffs just isn't good enough anymore. Need to get to at least the NLCS in the next couple of years or this whole win now thing was a failure.

[Ruben Douglas]

There are ZERO negatives in this deal. The Brewers gave up nobody proven for a Cy Young pitcher. This is, frankly, awesome. Best news in 2+ years. Is it enough to get into the playoffs?

Well, that is how this will be judged. If we don't make the playoffs the trade would definitely be a loss. Hell, you could argue we should advance. We sure didn't make this deal to try and win 85 games.

Yep. Playoffs just isn't good enough anymore. Need to get to at least the NLCS in the next couple of years or this whole win now thing was a failure.

I disagree. I have never seen a professional team promote making the playoffs as such a success as the Brewers have. Didn't they have a Sabathia bobble head day just last year? The playoff rally for the Brewers was almost comical. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is a bad thing. But the expectations for the Brewers for such a long time was to just get to .500, then it was the playoffs...so the next logical step would be to advance in the playoffs...but let's be realistic here, if the Brewers just make the playoffs it will be considered a success...as it should be.

[trwi7]

STFU.

[DanoMac]

Nothing like comedy, pissed, jealous Cubs fans.

1. Greinke = Sabathia?
What if Greinke doesn't pitch as well as Sabathia did? Because in all honesty, that is what the immediate comparison of this deal has been. Grienke is good, and can be real good, but his numbers weren't great last season.

Melvin compared the acquisition part. We got Sabathia, he was phenomenal, and we lost him for a half season. He's telling the public that don't know a lot that we now have a stud ace, and we have him for AT LEAST two years (Melvin said two years and maybe more...thinking an extension's in the works)

2. Fielder walking.
The Brewers may get draft picks but draft picks are even more of an unknown quantity than current prospects. And what many people don't realize is that there is a team south of Milwaukee with a lot of money coming off the books next season in need of a LH power hitting first baseman. Without this trade, it was likely that the Brewers would have been able to get more in return if they worked out an Adrian Gonzalez type deal...which I thought would happen and yank Fielder off the market. So...what if Fielder walks, Brewers only get a couple of sandwich picks, and a team like the Cubs or St. Louis (if Pujols walks) land Fielder?

Fact is, we still have Fielder for this year, and it's not a given he's going to go to the Cubs or Cardinals. Crazier things have happened, and we'll worry about that at season's end. And we can always move Gamel to 1B once Prince leaves. Maybe not your best option, but better than nothing (or whoever the Cubs stick at 1B).

3. SS, CF
Betancourt is obviously not the solution at SS and isn't a great defensive player. Gomez, a cheap option but obviously an eye sore at the plate. If this is an all or nothing, let's destroy our farm system to win type of year...wouldn't it make sense to keep trading for players at these two positions?

Yeah, we have holes, like every team in Major League Baseball. Pitching wins championships, as shown by the Giants this past year. If we sign Renteria, and get at least a half decent CF...there's no excuse not to win 90.

4. RF
Corey Hart...am I the only one that doesn't buy into this guy? They should have traded him for pitching when they had the chance, maybe even saving Lawrie or Cain by eliminating the need to trade for Marcum. Look at the disparity between his first and second half stats. What if Corey Hart goes back to hitting .260 with approx. 20 hr's?

Yeah, you're the only one. He's a 2 time All-Star, whom a lot of Brewer fans thought would regress during the 2nd half of last season. Well he kept it up, and we got him for a VERY good price (comparing that to Werth's contract). Hart's fine.

5. Defense
Good pitching can make a team Defense look better. But after this trade, isn't the Brewers overall Defense worse? I honestly am not sure, that's why I'm asking.

Yeah, our defense is worse just because we traded Escobar...by default it's worse. I doubt Betancourt will start 120+ games at SS. We'll find someone...and Gomez and Dickerson are great defensively in CF.

Regardless of all these questions, it's still early in the offseason and you can't argue with the position you find yourself in today considering where you were yesterday. I'm just saying, be careful what you wish for and try to look longer than 1.5 years into the future.

Be careful what we wish for? We just acquired a proven ace. A former cy young award winner, whom is 27 years old. What more could we ask for? Try to look longer than 1.5 years into the future? Why?! We have a contending team RIGHT NOW. WTF?

[Turk Nowitzki]

LOL at the Cubs fan trying to rain on our parade.

[Ruben Douglas]

Nothing like comedy, pissed, jealous Cubs fans.

I'm not pissed off at all. I'm from Milwaukee and like the Brewers...if the Cubs can't win, I want the Brewers to win. Difficult for many closed minded fans but when you grow up when the Brewers and Cubs are in different Leagues it's not too hard to comprehend.

Melvin compared the acquisition part. We got Sabathia, he was phenomenal, and we lost him for a half season. He's telling the public that don't know a lot that we now have a stud ace, and we have him for AT LEAST two years (Melvin said two years and maybe more...thinking an extension's in the works)

My question isn't dealing with Sabathia as much as it is asking, "What if Greinke pitches the way he has all but 1 of his previous season?" With the expectations obviously so high for him, what would the reaction be?

Fact is, we still have Fielder for this year, and it's not a given he's going to go to the Cubs or Cardinals. Crazier things have happened, and we'll worry about that at season's end. And we can always move Gamel to 1B once Prince leaves. Maybe not your best option, but better than nothing (or whoever the Cubs stick at 1B).

I agree, it's far from a foregone conclusion. But it is a possibility and an even greater possibility due to the trade. Only food for thought.

Yeah, we have holes, like every team in Major League Baseball. Pitching wins championships, as shown by the Giants this past year. If we sign Renteria, and get at least a half decent CF...there's no excuse not to win 90.

I agree, all teams have holes. Do the Brewers have the money to go out and sign a SS and a half decent CF? I honestly don't know.

Yeah, you're the only one. He's a 2 time All-Star, whom a lot of Brewer fans thought would regress during the 2nd half of last season. Well he kept it up, and we got him for a VERY good price (comparing that to Werth's contract). Hart's fine.

It's hard to argue with some of the stuff you have written, but let's not compare Hart's contract to Werth's...we all know that contract is just absurd! He hit .278 with 10 hr's after the all-star break which isn't bad but significantly less than the 1st half. I'm calling it now, you will all want him traded after the first half of this season...if I'm wrong I will admit it.

Yeah, our defense is worse just because we traded Escobar...by default it's worse. I doubt Betancourt will start 120+ games at SS. We'll find someone...and Gomez and Dickerson are great defensively in CF.

I guess this is a question to be asked during Spring Training.

Be careful what we wish for? We just acquired a proven ace. A former cy young award winner, whom is 27 years old. What more could we ask for? Try to look longer than 1.5 years into the future? Why?! We have a contending team RIGHT NOW. WTF?

Maybe that was poor wording on my part...all I'm saying is that things may not go according to plan and the entire franchise may suffer...I hope it doesn't, I like it when the Brewers are good...it's good for baseball and the city of Milwaukee.