Trade Rumors Thread - Brewers Open for Business (30)

Turk Nowitzki · Post #301 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:44 pm

If they really did offer him a replica of the Matt Cain extension and he turned it down I think it's time to send him on his way. That's a good offer and a fair deal for Greinke.

Post #302 » by **jr lucosa** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:02 pm

I've been all for holding onto Greinke but if he won't accept Cain money trade his ass.

Post #303 » by **humanrefutation** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:05 pm

GrendonJennings wrote:Twirly, you've won 96 games last season and have a "last hoorah" with Greinke/Marcum. You are losing Fielder, but in somewhat hindsight, you know that Aoki/Hart/improvements from random other guys is going to indirectly cover it up a bit, plus you're counting on Gamel prior to the season.

Would you not want to upgrade 3B and SS? The only difference to last year's team really is Saito/Hawkins other than that. Saito hasn't even thrown a pitch yet (I realize he was a second half guy last year as well). Hawkins has thrown 20 innings.

You win 96 games and you wouldn't make some reasonable signings like Gonzalez? A-Ram's last year of his contract is a bit unreasonable, but it's only a 3 year deal and you're going for it. Again, you just won 96 games and were 2 games from the World Series.

Post #304 » by **humanrefutation** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:05 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:If they really did offer him a replica of the Matt Cain extension and he turned it down I think it's time to send him on his way. That's a good offer and a fair deal for Greinke.

Post #305 » by **jr lucosa** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:18 pm

What do you guys think of the Happ trade? Asher Wojciechowski and David Rollins have both been pitching well this season for High A and Low A respectively, The catcher prospect they got has been hitting the ball decent in Low A as well.

WEFFPIM · Post #306 » by **WEFFPIM** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:24 pm

trwi7 wrote:
The Brewers offered star righthanded pitcher Zack Greinke a $100-million-plus, five-year deal sometime within the past few weeks, but there's nothing yet to indicate he will sign quickly and give up free agency, people familiar with the talks told CBSSports.com.

The quiet Greinke offer, which is said to have come more than a week ago, was said by one person to have been for close to the $112.5-million, five-year extension Matt Cain signed and may have even replicated it (though Cain's total could be looked at as $127.5 million since he had a year to go at $15 million when he signed the extension this spring). Greinke is expected to hit the free-agent market, which would give him a chance to look around.

If he hasn't accepted it by now, he's not going to. Trade him.

Now I agree. If he turned down a Cain offer, then get some pieces for him now and, if you're so inclined, make him another offer in the offseason.

trwi7 · Post #307 » by **trwi7** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:50 pm

jr lucosa wrote:What do you guys think of the Happ trade? Asher Wojciechowski and David Rollins have both been pitching well this season for High A and Low A respectively, The catcher prospect they got has been hitting the ball decent in Low A as well.

I don't get it for Toronto. I know they have pitching injuries but Happ sucks and that will get worse in the AL East.

Asher · Post #308 » by **Asher** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:22 am

WEFFPIM wrote:
trwi7 wrote:
The Brewers offered star righthanded pitcher Zack Greinke a $100-million-plus, five-year deal sometime within the past few weeks, but there's nothing yet to indicate he will sign quickly and give up free agency, people familiar with the talks told CBSSports.com.

The quiet Greinke offer, which is said to have come more than a week ago, was said by one person to have been for close to the $112.5-million, five-year extension Matt Cain signed and may have even replicated it (though Cain's total could be looked at as $127.5 million since he had a year to go at $15 million when he signed the extension this spring). Greinke is expected to hit the free-agent market, which would give him a chance to look around.

If he hasn't accepted it by now, he's not going to. Trade him.

Now I agree. If he turned down a Cain offer, then get some pieces for him now and, if you're so inclined, make him another offer in the offseason.

yup. nothing else logical to do.

Post #309 » by **jr lucosa** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:03 am

trwi7 wrote:
jr lucosa wrote:What do you guys think of the Happ trade? Asher Wojciechowski and David Rollins have both been pitching well this season for High A and Low A respectively, The catcher prospect they got has been hitting the ball decent in Low A as well.

I don't get it for Toronto. I know they have pitching injuries but Happ sucks and that will get worse in the AL East.

They must think Minute Maid was affecting him or they see something wrong the can fix. Sure does seem like a bit much to give up for a guy who is probably a number 4 starter at best.

Kerb Hohl · Post #310 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:02 pm

jr lucosa wrote:
trwi7 wrote:
jr lucosa wrote:What do you guys think of the Happ trade? Asher Wojciechowski and David Rollins have both been pitching well this season for High A and Low A respectively, The catcher prospect they got has been hitting the ball decent in Low A as well.

I don't get it for Toronto. I know they have pitching injuries but Happ sucks and that will get worse in the AL East.

They must think Minute Maid was affecting him or they see something wrong the can fix. Sure does seem like a bit much to give up for a guy who is probably a number 4 starter at best.

He's actually a large amount worse on the road.

El Duderino · Post #311 » by **El Duderino** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:50 pm

A head scratching trade by Alex Anthopoulos, who otherwise i think has done a really good job for Toronto since taking over as GM. Makes no sense at all given how much Happ sucks.

mufan4life · Post #312 » by **mufan4life** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:21 am

Is Greinke looking for that 6 or 7th year on the deal? That has to be it. I don't see him getting much more than the 20 million or so we are offering him annually. Guess he doesn't like Milwaukee as much as people thought.

Post #313 » by **humanrefutation** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:39 am

I'm wondering if they offered him the extension just to boost his trade value? The fact that the Brewers were willing to make such a huge investment might alleviate some team's concerns about his health. Either way, it's a win-win. If he takes it, great. If not, they can still try to trade him.

Relentless88 · Post #314 » by **Relentless88** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:52 pm

trwi7 wrote:
jr lucosa wrote:What do you guys think of the Happ trade? Asher Wojciechowski and David Rollins have both been pitching well this season for High A and Low A respectively, The catcher prospect they got has been hitting the ball decent in Low A as well.

I don't get it for Toronto. I know they have pitching injuries but Happ sucks and that will get worse in the AL East.

Happ has sucked for a while, but he has improved this season.

http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index. ... g-forward/

Alex thinks there's still upside there, even at 29 years old. The prospects given up by Toronto are mediocre. Asher projects as a #5 starter, and I'm not sure if Perez makes the majors. The Jays have a lot of catching depth (D'Arnaud, Arencibia, Jimenez) so Perez was expendable (since he would have been exposed to the rule 5 draft).

I think AA thinks the Jays still have a chance at the 2nd wildcard. The team has one of the worst starting rotations at the moment (Romero who has been awful, Cecil, Laffey, Villanueva, and Alvarez). Morrow, our best pitcher, has been out for a while and will be back only in mid-late August. JA Happ, while he sucks, is probably an upgrade over Alvarez, Cecil, and Laffey (who's been lucky so far).

The trade is just a boring trade. A 10 player deal and JA Happ is the best player? :roll:

If JA Happ flops in the AL East, then this was a bad deal for Toronto. Pretty good for Houston. The 3 prospects given up aren't in Toronto's top 20, but will probably all 3 be in Houston's top 10.

Ryan5UW · Post #315 » by **Ryan5UW** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:53 pm

humanrefutation wrote:I'm wondering if they offered him the extension just to boost his trade value? The fact that the Brewers were willing to make such a huge investment might alleviate some team's concerns about his health. Either way, it's a win-win. If he takes it, great. If not, they can still try to trade him.

Maybe I'm a bit cynical, but I think it's the same thing as with CC and Prince - now Melvin can say they tried to extend/resign him but he was just out of their price range, didn't want to be in Milwaukee, whatever other reason he wants to use.

MetroDrugUnit · Post #316 » by **MetroDrugUnit** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:21 pm

humanrefutation wrote:I'm wondering if they offered him the extension just to boost his trade value? The fact that the Brewers were willing to make such a huge investment might alleviate some team's concerns about his health. Either way, it's a win-win. If he takes it, great. If not, they can still try to trade him.

I think it can go both ways as far as value is concerned. I team that eyes a player like Greinke for a title run that would want to keep him beyond this season might not me willing to give up as much for him seeing that he turned down a very good offer fearing that they would have no shot at him other than a rental thus lowering his value.

trwi7 · Post #317 » by **trwi7** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:18 pm

Milwaukee Brewers general manager Doug Melvin is not yet ready to declare his team an outright seller. But clearly, Melvin is moving closer to such a decision.

lulz. Keep waiting for that 7 game winning streak that's never going to come.

Kerb Hohl · Post #318 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:24 pm

trwi7 wrote:
Milwaukee Brewers general manager Doug Melvin is not yet ready to declare his team an outright seller. But clearly, Melvin is moving closer to such a decision.

lulz. Keep waiting for that 7 game winning streak that's never going to come.

Honestly, I'm not sure what your problem is here.

This could be to try to show they aren't that willing to move some guys to maybe up offers. Mark A may be telling him things. I clearly want to sell right now but I still trust them to handle this one somewhat correctly.

MetroDrugUnit · Post #319 » by **MetroDrugUnit** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:24 pm

trwi7 wrote:
Milwaukee Brewers general manager Doug Melvin is not yet ready to declare his team an outright seller. But clearly, Melvin is moving closer to such a decision.

lulz. Keep waiting for that 7 game winning streak that's never going to come.

Will he ever be an outright seller? Even if we're out and we sell I have my doubts on who he moves or attempts to move.

LUKE23 · Post #320 » by **LUKE23** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:55 pm

In looking to next year, hard to see how we fill out a playoff worthy rotation. I think we definitely have enough offense, especially if you consider Weeks' season an outlier. Aoki, Gamel, Braun, Ramirez, Hart, Weeks, Lucroy is plenty to get it done there. But we lose Marcum and Greinke. If you figure this was a fringe playoff team with Greinke/Marcum, we have a **** of rotation work to do. I just don't see how it gets done, assuming Greinke doesn't extend.

We're in a tough spot. It's hard to justify completely rebuilding during Braun's prime years, considering he'll probably go down as the best hitter in franchise history. But at the same time, also hard to see how we become a contender unless these young pitchers are really good right away. I don't see us solving the pitching issue via FA. Maybe trade, but then you weaken the offense.