2018 Brewers Discussion - Yelich Signing on Page 45

wichmae · Post #321 » by **wichmae** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:03 pm

I think Broxton will be the guy we move. Trading Santana right now doesnt make a ton of sense unless someone offers up significant value.

MVP2110 · Post #322 » by **MVP2110** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:10 pm

Honestly I've never thought Santana was a Stearns type of player. I wouldn't be shocked at all if we moved him in a package for a fairly solid pitcher

M-C-G · Post #323 » by **M-C-G** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:21 pm

wichmae wrote:
ArodpwnsFavre wrote:What are thoughts on trading a guy like Santana? He's under control for 3 years only way Id do it is if they get at least two sure fire all star prospects. I love stacking talent but the brewers have a ton a of good prospects. They need elite talent in the farm.

I dont think Domingo nets you a Chris Sale return.

What about Archer? I thought I read he was likely to be traded this year. Could Domingo be the main chip in that type of deal?

wichmae · Post #324 » by **wichmae** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:23 pm

M-C-G wrote:
wichmae wrote:
ArodpwnsFavre wrote:What are thoughts on trading a guy like Santana? He's under control for 3 years only way Id do it is if they get at least two sure fire all star prospects. I love stacking talent but the brewers have a ton a of good prospects. They need elite talent in the farm.

I dont think Domingo nets you a Chris Sale return.

What about Archer? I thought I read he was likely to be traded this year. Could Domingo be the main chip in that type of deal?

Yeah that would be one of the guys I think we would include for Archer. Though to be honest Archer is somewhat over rated. His peripherals arent as good as people think he really is.

Kerb Hohl · Post #325 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:23 pm

No interest in Archer, personally. Archer doesn't put you over the top to beat the Cubs in the next 1-2 years (yes, he's under control for 4). I'd rather keep the young, good, cheap players and overpay a free agent pitcher or just stand pat.

If you want to take a shot to win now just overpay Lance Lynn and keep your of opportunity of also being good after 2020. Keeping Santana and 2-3 guys that could be cheap, good players to me is much more valuable than a decent pitcher (Archer) and killing your prospect depth.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #326 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:36 pm

MVP2110 wrote:Honestly I've never thought Santana was a Stearns type of player.

What does this even mean?

Post #327 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:35 pm

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MVP2110 · Post #328 » by **MVP2110** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:47 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:
MVP2110 wrote:Honestly I've never thought Santana was a Stearns type of player.

What does this even mean?

It seems that Stearns likes guys who play plus defense and are flexible to play different spots. Neither of which Santana is. Batting wise he is a Stearns guy(high obp). Not saying they will deal him, just that it won't shock me if they do.

Iheartfootball · Post #329 » by **Iheartfootball** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:08 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:

Read on Twitter

I just trust him to make the right decision here. We are in good hands.

wichmae · Post #330 » by **wichmae** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:15 pm

Brewers apparently intrigued by Matt Harvey. Im guessing Corey Ray would be our offer.

Post #331 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:25 pm

wichmae wrote:Brewers apparently intrigued by Matt Harvey. Im guessing Corey Ray would be our offer.

Ray for one year of Harvey? Pass.

wichmae · Post #332 » by **wichmae** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:36 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
wichmae wrote:Brewers apparently intrigued by Matt Harvey. Im guessing Corey Ray would be our offer.

Ray for one year of Harvey? Pass.

I’m sure we would QO so probably have a comp pick attached.

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WeekapaugGroove · Post #333 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:07 am

MVP2110 wrote:
Turk Nowitzki wrote:
MVP2110 wrote:Honestly I've never thought Santana was a Stearns type of player.

What does this even mean?

It seems that Stearns likes guys who play plus defense and are flexible to play different spots. Neither of which Santana is. Batting wise he is a Stearns guy(high obp). Not saying they will deal him, just that it won't shock me if they do.

In general I do think GM's favor guys they acquire vs guys they inherit from an old regime. But with Santana Sterns should have a great feel for him since they both were in the Astros org. And because of this I really do trust Stearns judgement on this one.

Personally I don't think Santana is a flash in the pan Villar type. I think theres a decent chance last season is about what to expect out of him. Now you need to trade something of value to get something of value to I'm not opposed to moving him in the right deal. Especially since Phillips would seem like a logical replacement in right with his crazy ass arm.

mlloyd10 · Post #334 » by **mlloyd10** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:39 am

Kerb Hohl wrote:No interest in Archer, personally. Archer doesn't put you over the top to beat the Cubs in the next 1-2 years (yes, he's under control for 4). I'd rather keep the young, good, cheap players and overpay a free agent pitcher or just stand pat.

If you want to take a shot to win now just overpay Lance Lynn and keep your of opportunity of also being good after 2020. Keeping Santana and 2-3 guys that could be cheap, good players to me is much more valuable than a decent pitcher (Archer) and killing your prospect depth.

But Archer and Stroman does...

Kerb Hohl · Post #335 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:40 am

mlloyd10 wrote:
Kerb Hohl wrote:No interest in Archer, personally. Archer doesn't put you over the top to beat the Cubs in the next 1-2 years (yes, he's under control for 4). I'd rather keep the young, good, cheap players and overpay a free agent pitcher or just stand pat.

If you want to take a shot to win now just overpay Lance Lynn and keep your of opportunity of also being good after 2020. Keeping Santana and 2-3 guys that could be cheap, good players to me is much more valuable than a decent pitcher (Archer) and killing your prospect depth.

But Archer and Stroman does...

I’m still not sure that team is better than the Cubs. And we’re probably starting over in 2020.

No. No thank you.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #336 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:56 am

I agree, it would make a splash for sure, but I don't think emptying out the top of the farm system for Archer is a smart idea. That's a move you make if you're one piece away and we're not there.

Gianstoppable · Post #337 » by **Gianstoppable** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:32 am

Surprised by how many people wouldnt make a move for Archer, He's going to cost a ton of course but we have a lot to give, and I am sorry but if a possible top 5 pitcher is on the market at a reasonable price you take that. Odds are these prospects dont pan out, dont get caught with your pants down. Brewers already have their whole rotation controllable and cheap, why not add a cheap ace?? You can always trade a guy from the rotation and get good value back.

Go crazy and get Archer and you still have plenty of space to add another top pitcher and bullpen pieces

Gianstoppable · Post #338 » by **Gianstoppable** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:38 am

wichmae wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
wichmae wrote:I dont think Domingo nets you a Chris Sale return.

What about Archer? I thought I read he was likely to be traded this year. Could Domingo be the main chip in that type of deal?

Yeah that would be one of the guys I think we would include for Archer. Though to be honest Archer is somewhat over rated. His peripherals arent as good as people think he really is.

Huh? 249K/60BB in 201 innings, nuff said. His only issue is homers, which in this park and division can be risky (coming from AL East isnt too different) but to say he is over rated is silly. Oh yeah and his remaining contract: $6.4 million in 2018 and $7.6 million in 2019 with a $9 million club option for 2020 and an $11 million option for 2021. On top of that if the CUbs get Archer its going to be that much more difficult to compete soon unless we finally get a true ace.

No idea what Archer would cost but maybe Brinson, Diaz, Diplan and Supak? Would be tough to give up Brinson but you would think getting Archer would cost at least one of Brinson or Hader plus more

trwi7 · Post #339 » by **trwi7** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:10 am

His issue is he gives up a **** ton of hard hit balls, not just homers. His peripherals make him look better than how he actually pitches.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #340 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:15 am

Gianstoppable wrote:Surprised by how many people wouldnt make a move for Archer, He's going to cost a ton of course but we have a lot to give, and I am sorry but if a possible top 5 pitcher is on the market at a reasonable price you take that. Odds are these prospects dont pan out, dont get caught with your pants down. Brewers already have their whole rotation controllable and cheap, why not add a cheap ace?? You can always trade a guy from the rotation and get good value back.

Go crazy and get Archer and you still have plenty of space to add another top pitcher and bullpen pieces

All of the bolded parts are some pretty uh.........let's call them a fun collection of assumptions.