2018 Brewers Discussion - Yelich Signing on Page 45

Post #361 » by **MickeyDavis** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:36 pm

I'd go 2 on Walker max.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #362 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:55 pm

You can ask for whatever you want, doesn't mean you're going to get it. There's no way anyone is giving Walker 4 years.

Post #363 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:53 pm

Read on Twitter

M-C-G · Post #364 » by **M-C-G** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:29 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:

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Definitely feels like they are going to add some pieces this year. I think I agree with Kerb though, maybe this is the year to just pay for a FA for 3 years and see what the farm system looks like after this year.

wichmae · Post #365 » by **wichmae** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:29 pm

RE: Archer. If the cost is Santana and Ortiz or something like that im ok with it.

Post #366 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:09 pm

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Interesting.

M-C-G · Post #367 » by **M-C-G** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:55 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:

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Interesting.

Situation has a very similar feel to Khris Davis to me.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #368 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:58 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:

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Interesting.

I'll reserve judgement on a Santana trade until I see what it nets and am not against such a move in general. But I will say it would be a bold move by Stearns and would show they really believe in Brinson and Phillips. That's a pretty good chunk of production they would need to replace in the middle of the order.

mlloyd10 · Post #369 » by **mlloyd10** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:25 pm

Do the Marlins say no to Vilar/Diaz or Lutz/Supak for Castro?

Kerb Hohl · Post #370 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:30 pm

mlloyd10 wrote:Do the Marlins say no to Vilar/Diaz or Lutz/Supak for Castro?

I'm not sure they'd have much interest in Villar even if he's a bounceback candidate, but I'm not really interested in this trade, either.

mlloyd10 · Post #371 » by **mlloyd10** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:47 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:
mlloyd10 wrote:Do the Marlins say no to Vilar/Diaz or Lutz/Supak for Castro?

I'm not sure they'd have much interest in Villar even if he's a bounceback candidate, but I'm not really interested in this trade, either.

Why not? Castro is the exact player we need playing 2b - .280 hitter with 15-20 HR, under a reasonable contract for two years.

Kerb Hohl · Post #372 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:00 pm

mlloyd10 wrote:
Kerb Hohl wrote:
mlloyd10 wrote:Do the Marlins say no to Vilar/Diaz or Lutz/Supak for Castro?

I'm not sure they'd have much interest in Villar even if he's a bounceback candidate, but I'm not really interested in this trade, either.

Why not? Castro is the exact player we need playing 2b - .280 hitter with 15-20 HR, under a reasonable contract for two years.

Yes, very exciting decent player to walk to free agency when we win 85 games the next 2 years. Castro's an upgrade but barely moves the needle. He does not get on base at a great clip and he's not a great defender.

Offer Neil Walker 2 years, $45 million. I'd seriously take that over trading away future value.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #373 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:28 pm

I'd rather give Villar another full season of AB's to try and turn it around than trade anything for Starlin Castro.

mlloyd10 · Post #374 » by **mlloyd10** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:50 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:
mlloyd10 wrote:
Kerb Hohl wrote:
I'm not sure they'd have much interest in Villar even if he's a bounceback candidate, but I'm not really interested in this trade, either.

Why not? Castro is the exact player we need playing 2b - .280 hitter with 15-20 HR, under a reasonable contract for two years.

Yes, very exciting decent player to walk to free agency when we win 85 games the next 2 years. Castro's an upgrade but barely moves the needle. He does not get on base at a great clip and he's not a great defender.

Offer Neil Walker 2 years, $45 million. I'd seriously take that over trading away future value.

Agree to disagree

WeekapaugGroove · Post #375 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:55 pm

Swarzak to the Mets on a two year $14M deal.

Kerb Hohl · Post #376 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:56 pm

mlloyd10 wrote:
Kerb Hohl wrote:
mlloyd10 wrote:
Why not? Castro is the exact player we need playing 2b - .280 hitter with 15-20 HR, under a reasonable contract for two years.

Yes, very exciting decent player to walk to free agency when we win 85 games the next 2 years. Castro's an upgrade but barely moves the needle. He does not get on base at a great clip and he's not a great defender.

Offer Neil Walker 2 years, $45 million. I'd seriously take that over trading away future value.

Agree to disagree

I would not renounce my fandom, but Castro is a ~1-2 WAR player. You've suggested several other trades to go all in, so if this was a large part of going all in for 2018-2019, I'd think it's stupid but I'd understand.

Starlin Castro added to last year's team with not a ton else is just wasting everyone's time.

Outlander · Post #377 » by **Outlander** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:58 pm

Castro might not be a bad option, get a guy in his age 28-30 season vs Walker that is already 32 and don't really think defense is much different at this stage in their careers. There is actually a third year option on Castro so about 39 million for three years. 45 million for two years of Walker is way too much. There is no way the Marlins will be paying Castro so might not be looking for much except for salary relief.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #378 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:02 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Swarzak to the Mets on a two year $14M deal.

Even though that's a decent sized contract for a guy who's had one good year, I'm actually surprised and a little disappointed the Brewers didn't match that given how nuts the RP market has been.

mlloyd10 · Post #379 » by **mlloyd10** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:03 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:
mlloyd10 wrote:
Kerb Hohl wrote:
Yes, very exciting decent player to walk to free agency when we win 85 games the next 2 years. Castro's an upgrade but barely moves the needle. He does not get on base at a great clip and he's not a great defender.

Offer Neil Walker 2 years, $45 million. I'd seriously take that over trading away future value.

Agree to disagree

I would not renounce my fandom, but Castro is a ~1-2 WAR player. You've suggested several other trades to go all in, so if this was a large part of going all in for 2018-2019, I'd think it's stupid but I'd understand.

Starlin Castro added to last year's team with not a ton else is just wasting everyone's time.

We get Archer/Stroman/Castro - Very happy

Would cost us alot, but we have a **** ton of talent thats 3-4 years away down in A ball.

Archer for Ray/Ortiz/Erceg/Supak

Stroman for Santana/Woodruff/Dubon

Castro for Villar/Harrison

Archer/Stroman/Anderson/Davis/Hader?

Phillips
Castro
Shaw
Braun
Thames
Brinson
Pina
Arcia

Will contend with that

Kerb Hohl · Post #380 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:10 pm

mlloyd10 wrote:
Kerb Hohl wrote:
mlloyd10 wrote:
Agree to disagree

I would not renounce my fandom, but Castro is a ~1-2 WAR player. You've suggested several other trades to go all in, so if this was a large part of going all in for 2018-2019, I'd think it's stupid but I'd understand.

Starlin Castro added to last year's team with not a ton else is just wasting everyone's time.

We get Archer/Stroman/Castro - Very happy

Would cost us alot, but we have a **** ton of talent thats 3-4 years away down in A ball.

Archer for Ray/Ortiz/Erceg/Supak

Stroman for Santana/Woodruff/Dubon

Castro for Villar/Harrison

Archer/Stroman/Anderson/Davis/Hader?

Phillips
Castro
Shaw
Braun
Thames
Brinson
Pina
Arcia

Will contend with that

Phillips is a bad idea to lead off. You're replacing an All Star bat in Santana with a good defender in Phillips that may put up a .230/.300/.410 line if exposed to every day play. Broxton is still around to platoon, but I think there are holes in that lineup.

You've built an 86-87 win team and basically will have to start all over in 3 years.

Jimmy Nelson was worth 5-6 wins last year playing 80% of the season. You're replacing him with Archer who will do about the same if everything goes right. Then you're removing Santana and placing Stroman in the rotation. You will have to pray for zero regression from a bunch of guys that played over their heads to get to 90 wins.

The Cubs have a much, much better lineup and defense and their rotation is not much worse than your supercharged Brewers rotation. I'd leave the roster as-is with a big free agent signing pitcher and make a deadline splash if we're in it.

You're praying that Brinson and Phillips hit the ground running and that Braun doesn't get hurt for an extended period of time. It's entirely possible that all 3 outfield positions are trash if Phillips/Brinson have a developmental year and Braun is hurt for a while.

I realize that batting order isn't set in stone but you're literally putting a guy that could struggle early with OBP in Phillips and Starlin Castro's career .330 OBP at the top of the order. Let alone not getting on base, you're giving some of your worst hitters the most at bats.