Early 2025 Roster Look

WeekapaugGroove · Post #41 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Sun Oct 6, 2024 2:58 am

wallus wrote:If Woodruff isn't good, the front office made a large financial gamble for nothing

That's how gambling works.

Starting pitching always gets hurt so you need depth, like 8-9 guys who are options.

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wallus · Post #42 » by **wallus** » Sun Oct 6, 2024 3:23 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
wallus wrote:If Woodruff isn't good, the front office made a large financial gamble for nothing
That's how gambling works.

Starting pitching always gets hurt so you need depth, like 8-9 guys who are options.

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Not something a team that doesn't spend should do unless they are confident he will be good

Post #43 » by **MickeyDavis** » Sun Oct 6, 2024 4:03 pm

Woodruffs money was back loaded, he received $2.5 million this year and $5 million in 2025. The deal includes a $20 million mutual option for 2026 with a $10 million buyout, half payable on Jan. 15, 2026, and the remainder on July 15, 2026. So spread out over 3 years. Not that bad.

We paid 37 year old Miley $8.5 million for nothing this year.

Post #44 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Oct 7, 2024 2:01 pm

Read on Twitter

Spoiler alert, it sounds like he'll be back.

Thunder Muscle · Post #45 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Mon Oct 7, 2024 3:16 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:

Read on Twitter

Spoiler alert, it sounds like he'll be back.

Hopefully year 2 will go better. Feel like sometimes takes that season before getting back into the groove. But yeah, I don’t see much of a scenario where he opts out.

MVP2110 · Post #46 » by **MVP2110** » Mon Oct 7, 2024 3:53 pm

I'm actually ok with Hoskins opting in. The Brewers aren't strapped for payroll and he atleast is a passable 1b option with the upside to be more.

Thunder Muscle · Post #47 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Mon Oct 7, 2024 6:23 pm

I’m curious what gives in the bullpen, there are a ton of team controlled options. I think Ross leaves via free agency. My gut is Williams traded and Milner does not return. But that still leaves Ashby, Hall, Payamps, Megill, Wilson, Koenig, Mears, and Hudson. Plus Misio and/or Yoho may be ready. I could see them trying Hall as a starter as right now I only see Myers, Civale, and Peralta as locks for next season.

Starters too. I think Peralta, Civale, Myers are locks. Gasser, Woodruff likely open on IL. Rea they may pickup up 5.5M option too? I don’t think its a 100% slam dunk. Wilson be a cheaper long relief option. Montas option is for sure going to be declined but I feel like they may try to bring him back. My guess would be his market will be cooler and Crew maybe want a full offseason with him. DL Hall I assume will get another look. I don’t think Ashby does. These are obviously all internal candidates.

Wisky4life · Post #48 » by **Wisky4life** » Mon Oct 7, 2024 6:51 pm

We had a good team. Keep what we have and then spend a little on some Luxury for once. Id like to pony up for an ace.

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Thunder Muscle · Post #49 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Mon Oct 7, 2024 6:57 pm

Wisky4life wrote:We had a good team. Keep what we have and then spend a little on some Luxury for once. Id like to pony up for an ace.

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I don’t think any chance Burnes would be signed. Next top FA I think are Snell, Fried, and Flaherty. I just don’t see us getting any of those guys. Maybe Flaherty if his market is cooler than anticipated. I know we were linked to him around the deadline.

Ron Swanson · Post #50 » by **Ron Swanson** » Tue Oct 8, 2024 2:14 pm

I don't know if it's the best strategy to back up the brinks truck for a veteran ace. Would much rather use that money on another infield bat with Adames bolting, count on some internal growth, and hope Woody can come back and give you some quality starts. They've got a plethora of young arms in the bullpen, and if this organization has been ahead of the curve on anything, it's that they've been able to manufacture starting pitching out of depreciated/distressed assets.

Post #51 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Oct 8, 2024 3:48 pm

Forget big signings next year unless they're one year deals or team friendly extensions. Next season is going to be a transition or bridge year in a lot of ways. The team will be good enough to contend again, but they're on the verge of a big wave of minor league talent showing up, most of it on the infield, and there won't be enough spots to go around. With that in mind I don't think there's any one who really needs extending, but I'd at least explore if Mitchell, Ortiz, and Turang might sign team tradeable friendly deals that buy out a year or two of free agency.

But yea, next year I'd only be looking to sign stop gap free agents.

Thunder Muscle · Post #52 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Fri Oct 11, 2024 1:51 pm

What is a reasonable return for Devin Williams? A prospect that falls in the 15-25 range, and a lottery ticket OR major leaguer they feel can fix (like Rogers in Hader deal)?

If the offers suck, do you roll it back with him? Like Adames last offseason.

Honestly from the PR perspective, trading him in the offseason got a TON easier after that playoff loss. In fact, many casuals are on board with moving him now. However I don’t necessarily want to just give him away either. I have to think we’ll get a decent offer or 2 though and don’t think its a guarantee to get a comp pick either like it was with Adames. If Devo struggles, he isn’t getting a 50M+ deal from anyone after next season.

Post #53 » by **MickeyDavis** » Fri Oct 11, 2024 6:07 pm

Interesting that Arnold said they're open to trading him. It's obviously true but it was definitely a signal to the fans that it's likely. He could have said nothing. And of course he's playing the "we're the smallest market" card to prep the fans.

bdpecore · Post #54 » by **bdpecore** » Mon Oct 14, 2024 3:39 pm

Matches Malone wrote:I'd be fine letting Ortiz take a shot at moving back to SS but you're probably going to need a stopgap infielder for a year or two. Any decent ones we can send Devin Williams for?

I think the Brewers most realistic option to find a starting 3B is acquiring one in a Devin Williams trade. I could see Texas sending Josh Jung as part of a deal since Josh smith seems to be entrenched as their starting 3B and isn't arbitration eligible for another 2 seasons.

Other options for 3B include:

1. Move Frelick to 3B. Unfortunately, this doesn't replace Adames' power in the lineup.
2. Taking a flyer on Yoan Moncada or Brandon Drury who both should be signing cheap one year "prove it" deals.
3. Trade some of our pitching depth for Ryan McMahon who has 3yrs/$44MM remaining on his current contract.
4. Trade for Eugenio Suarez as the Diamondbacks have Perdomo and Lawler to play SS and 3B next year. Suarez is a good defender who provides has plenty of power.

Knowing we are tight on finances I think its more likely we sign either Moncada or Drury to a prove it deal than invest significant payroll for a player who very could be blocking Wilken, Boeve and/or Adams in a couple of years.

Otherwise I feel like this roster is set up extremely well for the next 3-5 years between current players and upcoming prospects.

Kerb Hohl · Post #55 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Oct 14, 2024 4:55 pm

Ryan McMahon, who I'm not entirely interested in, is a weird player simply because he's played in Colorado his entire career and has even splits. Mindblowing.

Edit: I was only looking at one season, not his career. Pass.

Thunder Muscle · Post #56 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Mon Oct 14, 2024 5:06 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:Ryan McMahon, who I'm not entirely interested in, is a weird player simply because he's played in Colorado his entire career and has even splits. Mindblowing.

I feel like in fantasy he was/is a guy you would only play at home. When I go to his Pro Baseball Reference page his career OPS at home vs road is .814 to .673 respectively. OPS+ is 117 vs 81 as well. I think I would pass on him.

Moncada would be a wild card. He has had some pretty good seasons, but also some not so hot/injuries. Could be a Brewers buy low candidate, IF his market is cool.

Jung on paper seems kind of intriguing. Not sure if Williams floats their boat though. I assume Rangers wouldn’t want to give him away. 26 years old off an AS appearance in 2023.

Post #57 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Oct 14, 2024 5:16 pm

Our internal options are:

1 - Joey Ortiz (try and find an IF elsewhere)
2 - Oliver Dunn
3 - Vinny Capra
4 - Owen Miller
5 - Sal Frelick

Yuck.

Kerb Hohl · Post #58 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Oct 14, 2024 5:28 pm

Thunder Muscle wrote:
Kerb Hohl wrote:Ryan McMahon, who I'm not entirely interested in, is a weird player simply because he's played in Colorado his entire career and has even splits. Mindblowing.

I feel like in fantasy he was/is a guy you would only play at home. When I go to his Pro Baseball Reference page his career OPS at home vs road is .814 to .673 respectively. OPS+ is 117 vs 81 as well. I think I would pass on him.

Moncada would be a wild card. He has had some pretty good seasons, but also some not so hot/injuries. Could be a Brewers buy low candidate, IF his market is cool.

Jung on paper seems kind of intriguing. Not sure if Williams floats their boat though. I assume Rangers wouldn’t want to give him away. 26 years old off an AS appearance in 2023.

Oops - I was looking at 2024, not his career.

Yeah, he's another guy that is probably just "meh" away from Coors. Though we could hopefully count on the one random year where maybe that wasn't a thing like Arenado and DJ.

Post #59 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Oct 14, 2024 6:59 pm

I don't like our current internal IF options. If we can find a SS via trade keep Ortiz at 3rd. If we can find a 3B via trade move Ortiz to short. I suppose Turang could be moved if we can find a good 2B but he was so good there I'd hate to move him.

rayallenscalves · Post #60 » by **rayallenscalves** » Mon Oct 14, 2024 7:49 pm

Thunder Muscle wrote:
Kerb Hohl wrote:Ryan McMahon, who I'm not entirely interested in, is a weird player simply because he's played in Colorado his entire career and has even splits. Mindblowing.

I feel like in fantasy he was/is a guy you would only play at home. When I go to his Pro Baseball Reference page his career OPS at home vs road is .814 to .673 respectively. OPS+ is 117 vs 81 as well. I think I would pass on him.

Moncada would be a wild card. He has had some pretty good seasons, but also some not so hot/injuries. Could be a Brewers buy low candidate, IF his market is cool.

Jung on paper seems kind of intriguing. Not sure if Williams floats their boat though. I assume Rangers wouldn’t want to give him away. 26 years old off an AS appearance in 2023.

Jung is interesting. Texas's closer was really good last year, but he's a free agent and going into his age-38 season. The rest of their pen was pretty meh. Given their payroll and aspirations, I could see them investing in someone like Devin, especially since they seem pretty set at 3B. Potential case of two teams trading from an area of strength to fill a weakness.