Around MLB '12-'13 (offseason signings, trades, rumors, ect)

Post #401 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:50 pm

Neither McGwire or Palmeiro have remotely the same HOF resume as Bonds.

This probably would have been my ballot:

Clemens
Bonds
Lofton
McGwire
Martinez
Piaza
Raines
Schilling
Bagwell

HurricaneKid · Post #402 » by **HurricaneKid** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:37 pm

DrugBust wrote:Neither McGwire or Palmeiro have remotely the same HOF resume as Bonds.

This probably would have been my ballot:

Clemens
Bonds
Lofton
McGwire
Martinez
Piaza
Raines
Schilling
Bagwell

I think this is the point. Barry Bonds is what, the second best position player in the history of the game? Its not even too hard to argue that he was the best player ever. Meanwhile, Palmeiro was never in the top 5 of an MVP vote. I don't care if voters want to make an example out of him. But you just can't omit Clemens and Bonds. I mean I hate Clemens but who has been better than him? EVER?

For the two of them to get less than half the votes necessary is just laughable. If two people had omitted them I would be here making fun of those two people. For most of them to do it is just pathetic.

crkone · Post #403 » by **crkone** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:34 pm

This whole HGH testing is so bogus now too.

coolhandluke121 · Post #404 » by **coolhandluke121** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:37 pm

LaRoche gets $10m, $12m, $2m mutual buyout. Basically 2/$24m guaranteed. I would have taken that over Hart and his contract situation every day of the week, especially since LaRoche is a much-needed left-handed hitter.

To say nothing of the fact that you could probably trade Hart for a decent prospect, which has to factor into the equation as well.

Siefer · Post #405 » by **Siefer** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:41 am

DrugBust wrote:Neither McGwire or Palmeiro have remotely the same HOF resume as Bonds.

This probably would have been my ballot:

Clemens
Bonds
Lofton
McGwire
Martinez
Piaza
Raines
Schilling
Bagwell

There's no debate about that. My issue in general is with the view that they aren't hall of famers because of their PED use.

Post #406 » by **ReasonablySober** » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:22 am

Siefer wrote:
DrugBust wrote:Neither McGwire or Palmeiro have remotely the same HOF resume as Bonds.

This probably would have been my ballot:

Clemens
Bonds
Lofton
McGwire
Martinez
Piaza
Raines
Schilling
Bagwell

There's no debate about that. My issue in general is with the view that they aren't hall of famers because of their PED use.

I agree with that, no doubt.

mlloyd10 · Post #407 » by **mlloyd10** » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:55 pm

Nats get Rafael Soriano 2/28 with 14 option

Kerb Hohl · Post #408 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:49 pm

Wait, what? $14 million/year for potentially 3 years of a decent reliever?

The Brewers are ****.

Post #409 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:23 am

If I was worth $4 billion I'd throw $14 million at a reliever too. The **** do I care?

Kerb Hohl · Post #410 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:35 am

DrugBust wrote:If I was worth $4 billion I'd throw $14 million at a reliever too. The **** do I care?

Well, point taken...but...

It's 14 million A YEAR. Two years plus an option for a third.

Post #411 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:17 am

GrendonJennings wrote:
DrugBust wrote:If I was worth $4 billion I'd throw $14 million at a reliever too. The **** do I care?

Well, point taken...but...

It's 14 million A YEAR. Two years plus an option for a third.

Yup. But like I said, he's playing with couch money. When you're one of the world's richest you can throw around stupid money.

Put it this way: if you were told you could have Soriano and it wouldn't affect the budget over the next three years, no matter the cost, wouldn't you take him?

trwi7 · Post #412 » by **trwi7** » Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:01 am

$28 million is .007% of Werner's net worth.

Post #413 » by **jr lucosa** » Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:18 pm

He's more than decent, he's really damn good actually. But that is a ton of money.

WiscSports1 · Post #414 » by **WiscSports1** » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:18 pm

Of course he's good, but at $14 million a year that's hilarious.

trwi7 · Post #415 » by **trwi7** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:01 am

Mariners/A's/Nats complete a 3 team deal. I have no idea wtf the A's are doing.

Mariners trade: John Jaso
Mariners get: Mike Morse

A's trade: A.J. Cole (top prospect that the Nats traded to them in the Gio Gonzalez deal)
A's get: John Jaso

Nats trade: Mike Morse
Nats get: A.J. Cole

Captain Erv · Post #416 » by **Captain Erv** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:19 am

So pretty much the A's get rid of the best player involved in the trade and receive the worst player involved in the trade? MONEYBALL!

trwi7 · Post #417 » by **trwi7** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:43 am

I should add that if Jaso hits like he did last year, this deal looks good for the A's. The problem is he's 29 and has never come close to hitting that well, especially power wise so I have my doubts.

Post #418 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:54 am

Poor Kotaras

Kerb Hohl · Post #419 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:55 am

So every team was just interested in getting their old players back, eh?

gbmb34 · Post #420 » by **gbmb34** » Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:01 am

trwi7 wrote:Mariners/A's/Nats complete a 3 team deal. I have no idea wtf the A's are doing.

Mariners trade: John Jaso
Mariners get: Mike Morse

A's trade: A.J. Cole (top prospect that the Nats traded to them in the Gio Gonzalez deal)
A's get: John Jaso

Nats trade: Mike Morse
Nats get: A.J. Cole

I know AJ Coles isn't on the level of the Royals guys or Trevor Bauer, but what is going on in baseball with prospect trades? Total 180 from 2 years ago when no one would give up anyone.