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Re: 2018 Brewers Discussion - Sign Jhoulys Chacin, 2/$16M, pg 24 

Post#561 » by Kerb Hohl » Fri Jan 5, 2018 8:00 pm

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Kerb Hohl wrote:Whatever it is, the scenario could be:

Broxton for a reliever, Stanton (plus maybe something else not major) for a good, young/controllable starter, Cain for 3 years. Keep all or most of the prospects. To me, that's worth losing a comp pick. They'd be fine budget-wise. Win now, win later.

Anyways, none of this is likely coming anywhere close to happening. Just interesting to discuss.

Who is Stanton? Did you mean Brinson? Or maybe I am missing something.


Lol sorry, meant Santana.
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Re: 2018 Brewers Discussion - Sign Jhoulys Chacin, 2/$16M, pg 24 

Post#562 » by wichmae » Fri Jan 5, 2018 9:03 pm

Pipeline podcast is up and both Callis/Mayo say they have Monte Harrison firmly as a mid top 100 prospect going into the year.

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Post#563 » by wichmae » Fri Jan 5, 2018 9:05 pm

And yes Cobb would cost a comp pick as well.
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Re: 2018 Brewers Discussion - Sign Jhoulys Chacin, 2/$16M, pg 24 

Post#564 » by wichmae » Fri Jan 5, 2018 9:09 pm

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Trade half of farm system for several decent Royals veterans? Sure!

Give up a 3rd round pick for a 4 WAR player? No, no that's just silly.


I'll make this very simple for you - Cain will cost about $15-$20 mil per season for 4 years.

Half the farm system? 4 guys, none in the top 100 - OK


A lot of the suggestions are coming that he may come at a bargain of 3 years.

But that's the point. We rehash this with every wannabe small market budget hawk on here. Is Wade Davis overpaid? Yes. Would Cain be? I actually think maybe not, but it's quite possible. Do they easily fit under the team's budget short and long-term with minimal other areas to spend? Yup.

But:

A. You're keeping future cheap players and

B. If it's a short-ish contract and can be afforded, it makes sense. If the Brewers are still well under Mark's budget and a free agent contract is fair, then it should not be a terrible thing. If the Brewers were a 75 win team with no youth and an already $115 million payroll for several years...then yeah, it's stupid.

We don't get to hang a banner for being an 80 win team with a $65 million payroll. At a certain point, the entire idea of getting so many other young/value players is so that you can overpay other veterans to get over the top or keep your own.

The best thing about this (yes, far-fetched at this point) scenario is that you get to keep the 4-5 prospects that maybe would've gone to KC. Instead, those 2 or 3 of guys will now play for $600k/year from 2020-2023 and be productive major leaguers.

Two of those guys are top 100 and one is about to be top 50-60.
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Re: 2018 Brewers Discussion - Sign Jhoulys Chacin, 2/$16M, pg 24 

Post#565 » by Turk Nowitzki » Fri Jan 5, 2018 9:47 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:
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Kerb Hohl wrote:Whatever it is, the scenario could be:

Broxton for a reliever, Stanton (plus maybe something else not major) for a good, young/controllable starter, Cain for 3 years. Keep all or most of the prospects. To me, that's worth losing a comp pick. They'd be fine budget-wise. Win now, win later.

Anyways, none of this is likely coming anywhere close to happening. Just interesting to discuss.

Who is Stanton? Did you mean Brinson? Or maybe I am missing something.


Lol sorry, meant Santana.

I thought maybe we had a hot new prospect that I was totally unaware of. :)
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Re: 2018 Brewers Discussion - Sign Jhoulys Chacin, 2/$16M, pg 24 

Post#566 » by mlloyd10 » Sat Jan 6, 2018 4:12 pm

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I'll make this very simple for you - Cain will cost about $15-$20 mil per season for 4 years.

Half the farm system? 4 guys, none in the top 100 - OK


A lot of the suggestions are coming that he may come at a bargain of 3 years.

But that's the point. We rehash this with every wannabe small market budget hawk on here. Is Wade Davis overpaid? Yes. Would Cain be? I actually think maybe not, but it's quite possible. Do they easily fit under the team's budget short and long-term with minimal other areas to spend? Yup.

But:

A. You're keeping future cheap players and

B. If it's a short-ish contract and can be afforded, it makes sense. If the Brewers are still well under Mark's budget and a free agent contract is fair, then it should not be a terrible thing. If the Brewers were a 75 win team with no youth and an already $115 million payroll for several years...then yeah, it's stupid.

We don't get to hang a banner for being an 80 win team with a $65 million payroll. At a certain point, the entire idea of getting so many other young/value players is so that you can overpay other veterans to get over the top or keep your own.

The best thing about this (yes, far-fetched at this point) scenario is that you get to keep the 4-5 prospects that maybe would've gone to KC. Instead, those 2 or 3 of guys will now play for $600k/year from 2020-2023 and be productive major leaguers.

Two of those guys are top 100 and one is about to be top 50-60.


This was my trade - Harrison/Ecreg/Diplan/Supak for Duffy/Merrifield
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Re: 2018 Brewers Discussion - Sign Jhoulys Chacin, 2/$16M, pg 24 

Post#567 » by wichmae » Mon Jan 8, 2018 7:58 pm

Traditional defensive light hitting type catcher. Light hitting to the point SD tried him at pitcher.
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Re: 2018 Brewers Discussion - Sign Jhoulys Chacin, 2/$16M, pg 24 

Post#568 » by crkone » Tue Jan 9, 2018 4:25 pm

https://www.mlb.com/brewers/news/free-agent-matt-garza-to-have-shoulder-surgery/c-264441244

A 10-day stint on the disabled list seemed a minor price to pay for then-Brewers right-hander Matt Garza after he collided with mountainous first baseman Jesus Aguilar at Miller Park back in June. It turns out the price was significantly higher.

Garza, now a free agent, will undergo surgery on Wednesday in Los Angeles for a torn labrum in his right shoulder that appears to have been caused by that collision. Given Garza's age and the nature of the injury, the procedure could take the decision of whether to retire out of the 34-year-old's hands.

Garza's agent, Nez Balelo of CAA Sports, confirmed Garza will go under the knife with Dr. Neal ElAttrache, the same surgeon who repaired the torn labrum of another Brewers right-hander and CAA client, Jimmy Nelson, in September. After Nelson's surgery, Brewers GM David Stearns said Nelson would miss a "chunk" of next season. Because Garza's injury occurred while he played for the Brewers, head team physician William Raasch signed off on the procedure, according to Balelo.


Well I guess he sucked for a reason at the end there.

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Re: 2018 Brewers Discussion - Sign Jhoulys Chacin, 2/$16M, pg 24 

Post#569 » by mlloyd10 » Tue Jan 9, 2018 7:19 pm

Mentioned this on a differnt site - Salazar for Santana straight up
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Re: 2018 Brewers Discussion - Sign Jhoulys Chacin, 2/$16M, pg 24 

Post#570 » by trwi7 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:34 am

mlloyd10 wrote:Mentioned this on a differnt site - Salazar for Santana straight up


This would be terrible.
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Re: 2018 Brewers Discussion - Sign Jhoulys Chacin, 2/$16M, pg 24 

Post#571 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:41 am

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Re: 2018 Brewers Discussion - Sign Jhoulys Chacin, 2/$16M, pg 24 

Post#572 » by mlloyd10 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:09 pm

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mlloyd10 wrote:Mentioned this on a differnt site - Salazar for Santana straight up


This would be terrible.


Indians would probably need to add a piece - But when Healthy ( Big If) Salazer would be our best SP

Someguy that knows way too much about Surplus value and War mentioned this trade

Cleveland gets:
OF - Domingo Santana (72 million surplus value...2.4 WAR player each of next four seasons)
role-player pitching prospect / maybe either Medeiros or Bickford (5.72 million surplus value)
Total = 77.72 million

Milwaukee gets:
RHP - Danny Salazar (45 million surplus value...2.3 WAR player each of next three seasons)
SS - Yu-Cheng Chang (top 10 organizational prospect...11.45 million surplus value)
OF - Greg Allen (top 10 organizational prospect...11.45 million surplus value)
Total = 67.9 million
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Re: 2018 Brewers Discussion - Sign Jhoulys Chacin, 2/$16M, pg 24 

Post#573 » by wichmae » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:24 pm

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IM going to guess Brinson, Harrison, Ortiz, Burnes, Woodruff, Hiura, and Ray. With Lutz, Diaz, and Diplan right outside the 100. We still have the deepest system by a long shot.
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Re: 2018 Brewers Discussion - Sign Jhoulys Chacin, 2/$16M, pg 24 

Post#574 » by mlloyd10 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:31 pm

Going with - Brinson, Hiura, Woodruff, Burnes, Harrison, Ortiz and Peralta
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Re: 2018 Brewers Discussion - Sign Jhoulys Chacin, 2/$16M, pg 24 

Post#575 » by Turk Nowitzki » Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:16 pm

J.J. Hoover signed to a one year deal. Minor league deal w/ invite to camp. Saw 1.1M if he makes the team with another 1.65M in incentives.

He's just a random arm. If he's playing a key role in the bullpen we probably aren't going to be very good.
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Re: 2018 Brewers Discussion - Sign Jhoulys Chacin, 2/$16M, pg 24 

Post#576 » by wichmae » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:27 pm

Boone Logan takes Taylor Jungmann's spot on the 40. Jungmann released to pursue Japanese deal.
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Re: 2018 Brewers Discussion - Sign Jhoulys Chacin, 2/$16M, pg 24 

Post#577 » by Gianstoppable » Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:24 am

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Odds are it's nothing and just Shaw laughing that Yu is responding to rumors about him but would be very interesting if we went after Darvish. If you go after Darvish would you go all in and trade for Archer then sign Cain and a reliever?
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Re: 2018 Brewers Discussion - Sign Jhoulys Chacin, 2/$16M, pg 24 

Post#578 » by crkone » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:40 pm

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Odds are it's nothing and just Shaw laughing that Yu is responding to rumors about him but would be very interesting if we went after Darvish. If you go after Darvish would you go all in and trade for Archer then sign Cain and a reliever?



In more realistic news, K-Rod is reinvigorated! Go get him Stearns!!!!! :D

Francisco Rodriguez came off a mound near his home in Coral Springs, Fla. Tuesday and declared himself ready to rejoin a big-league organization.

“Hell, yeah,” Rodriguez, fourth on the all-time saves list, said enthusiastically in a phone conversation with FanRag. “I’ve made a lot of progress.”

Rodriguez is excited about the possibilities after what he said was a 42-pitch session in which he maintained velocity in the 88-93 mph range, a major improvement over last year when he couldn’t crack 90 in the Washington Nationals’ minor leagues and was let go from the team when he told them he didn’t want to continue in the low minors.

Another change, according to the man they call K-Rod: The Venezuelan kids hitting against him only put two balls in play Tuesday, which favorably compared to the minors last year, when he said minor-league kids anxious to prove themselves against the former star dug in to the point that there were 20 swings on 23 pitches in one game.

“I wasn’t missing any bats,” Rodriguez recalled.

He had saved 44 games only the year before (2016), but after pushing himself to pitch for Venezuela in the World Baseball Classic, he was never right last year, pitching to the tune of a 7.82 ERA (a far cry from his pristine 2.86 lifetime mark). He’s reinvented himself in the past, moving back into the closer role after brief demotions to a set-up job following what he called a rare “mediocre” year.

But this time he was actually humbled, probably for the first time.

“Everything was a disaster last year,” Rodriguez, who only turned 36 Sunday, said. “It was the first time I struggled, and I didn’t know how to handle it. I didn’t know how to come out of it. It was like a snowball going downhill.”

He actually gives the Tigers credit for giving him as much rope as they did last year. But he says he’s ready to show his stuff again now, after starting workouts in the Miami area as early as November for the first time – if anyone will give him a chance following such a “disastrous” year. And that seems to be a big “if” at this point, as he hasn’t stirred much interest to this point, even on a minor-league deal.

He says he’s willing and ready to try out if teams want to see for themselves – assuming someone will send a scout.

“I still have plenty left,” Rodriguez said. “I am hoping to get an opportunity to help a team win a championship. I’m physically way better than I was last year. I’m ready. If I didn’t have it, I’d say it. I’m a straight shooter – my own worst critic.”

Rodriguez didn’t say anything at the time, but wanted so badly to represent Venezuela in the WBC he tried to wrap a pulled hamstring and wound up pulling a groin. He was throwing in the mid-to-high-80s; he wasn’t himself.

“I wasn’t healthy,” Rodriguez said. “The week before the WBC I pulled a hamstring. Then I made the poor decision to go to the Classic.”

After the rough start in Detroit, he went to the Nationals, where his minors numbers look okay — or at least better than his velo readings. But K-Rod says folks should look at the numbers of his career, which he says are “consistent,” up until last year, which he described as a “roller-coaster.”

He had a nice layoff following his release from the Nats. But now he feels good enough again to show his stuff.

“Anytime,” Rodriguez, author of 437 career saves, declared.

Now he just needs someone to take notice.

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Re: 2018 Brewers Discussion - Sign Jhoulys Chacin, 2/$16M, pg 24 

Post#579 » by Outlander » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:10 pm

Yeah right, one of Stearns first moves was to kick the woman beater to the curb.
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Re: 2018 Brewers Discussion - Sign Jhoulys Chacin, 2/$16M, pg 24 

Post#580 » by Thunder Muscle » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:16 pm

mlloyd10 wrote:
trwi7 wrote:
mlloyd10 wrote:Mentioned this on a differnt site - Salazar for Santana straight up


This would be terrible.


Indians would probably need to add a piece - But when Healthy ( Big If) Salazer would be our best SP

Someguy that knows way too much about Surplus value and War mentioned this trade

Cleveland gets:
OF - Domingo Santana (72 million surplus value...2.4 WAR player each of next four seasons)
role-player pitching prospect / maybe either Medeiros or Bickford (5.72 million surplus value)
Total = 77.72 million

Milwaukee gets:
RHP - Danny Salazar (45 million surplus value...2.3 WAR player each of next three seasons)
SS - Yu-Cheng Chang (top 10 organizational prospect...11.45 million surplus value)
OF - Greg Allen (top 10 organizational prospect...11.45 million surplus value)
Total = 67.9 million


No Starlin Castro trade proposals yet?

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