2018 Brewers Discussion - Yelich Signing on Page 45

[trwi7]

Apologies if this was posted already (didn't see it anywhere). Brewers in the mix for J.J. Hoover.

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2012 called. They want their who gives a **** back.

Reading through this thread again and now that the Hoover signing is official I felt I should bring this back up.

[wichmae]

This would be terrible.

Indians would probably need to add a piece - But when Healthy ( Big If) Salazer would be our best SP

Someguy that knows way too much about Surplus value and War mentioned this trade

Cleveland gets:
OF - Domingo Santana (72 million surplus value...2.4 WAR player each of next four seasons)
role-player pitching prospect / maybe either Medeiros or Bickford (5.72 million surplus value)
Total = 77.72 million

Milwaukee gets:
RHP - Danny Salazar (45 million surplus value...2.3 WAR player each of next three seasons)
SS - Yu-Cheng Chang (top 10 organizational prospect...11.45 million surplus value)
OF - Greg Allen (top 10 organizational prospect...11.45 million surplus value)
Total = 67.9 million

No Starlin Castro trade proposals yet?

Ill bite. Castro for Braden Webb, Tyrone Taylor, and Gabriel Garcia. Or Jorge Lopez and Taylor. Starlin is owed 21 million over the next two with a 16 million option for 2020.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I don't hate the idea of grabbing Castro if the cost is some second tier guys. He would be a nice stop gap bridge guy until the young middle infielders are ready.

[Kerb Hohl]

Apologies if this was posted already (didn't see it anywhere). Brewers in the mix for J.J. Hoover.

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2012 called. They want their who gives a **** back.

Reading through this thread again and now that the Hoover signing is official I felt I should bring this back up.

Disband the franchise, we've made a similar move to what every other team does 3-4 times every single offseason. A minor league contract with MLB condition for a million bucks to a 30-year-old guy that has a high K-rate that maybe could be fixed. Man. That's a killer.

[mlloyd10]

This would be terrible.

Indians would probably need to add a piece - But when Healthy ( Big If) Salazer would be our best SP

Someguy that knows way too much about Surplus value and War mentioned this trade

Cleveland gets:
OF - Domingo Santana (72 million surplus value...2.4 WAR player each of next four seasons)
role-player pitching prospect / maybe either Medeiros or Bickford (5.72 million surplus value)
Total = 77.72 million

Milwaukee gets:
RHP - Danny Salazar (45 million surplus value...2.3 WAR player each of next three seasons)
SS - Yu-Cheng Chang (top 10 organizational prospect...11.45 million surplus value)
OF - Greg Allen (top 10 organizational prospect...11.45 million surplus value)
Total = 67.9 million

No Starlin Castro trade proposals yet?

No really funny....would take Castro all day long if it didn’t cost us anything

[Kerb Hohl]

I am not a Castro fan at all given his overrated counting stats and BABIP, but sure, if the Brewers didn't spend much elsewhere this offseason, I'd take him for essentially free (just the cost of contract).

[marques-8]

It really is a questionable Pay and Arbitration system in baseball, when Villar can have an awful 2017 season, and still be rewarded with a $2 million pay raise. I understand the Brewers still saved a fortune when Villar turned down the $23 million contract, but this is a prime example of a broken system.

[Outlander]

I don't think so in regards to him being overpaid. Baseball players are paid very little for too long relatively speaking. Say what you will about Villar but $2 million is nothing for a potential starting 2B. Really in any of the major sport, pretty much all 4th year players are getting at least $2 million.

[Kerb Hohl]

It really is a questionable Pay and Arbitration system in baseball, when Villar can have an awful 2017 season, and still be rewarded with a $2 million pay raise. I understand the Brewers still saved a fortune when Villar turned down the $23 million contract, but this is a prime example of a broken system.

Villar made it to arbitration because he was really good for a previous year. Most guys that make it to arbitration and make a decent bump in pay there far outplayed the value of their first 2-3 years.

Kris Bryant (it was fair) got $10 million in year 1 but he just got off making a grand total of $1.8 million in his first 3 years and playing like a $25 million/year player.

Also, the Brewers could’ve non-tendered him. They knew the estimated cost. Someone else would’ve picked him up because he’s still somewhat of a bargain given his (somewhat fading) potential. But if Villar truly wasn’t worth $2 million, he’d have been cut and nobody else would’ve picked him up.

[trwi7]

Villar in 2016, despite his **** defense was worth well over $15 million, probably in the $20 million range and we got him for a little over $500K. The system is **** up but it's **** up for players.

[coolhandluke121]

I'm relieved that the Brewers didn't do anything except maybe pick up a couple flip candidates. Just give your young guys and reclamation projects a chance to up their trade value and wait a few years. The elite teams in baseball are too good to compete. Let them ride out the strong part of their competitive cycle and maybe the Brewers can get there in a few years. It will be a fun season for fans of great baseball. I understand hating big markets but most of those teams drafted well like anyone else would have to and they deserve to be here.

Hope the Red Sox overpay Martinez. The Yankees, Red Sox, and Cubs will have a bit of a financial crunch in the not-too-distant future. The Nats already do. The Dodgers and Astros are situated a little better but all their good young players will eat up a lot of cash eventually too. Many of the Indians will be past their prime soon.

The Brewers did the right thing this offseason.

[Kerb Hohl]

I'm relieved that the Brewers didn't do anything except maybe pick up a couple flip candidates. Just give your young guys and reclamation projects a chance to up their trade value and wait a few years. The elite teams in baseball are too good to compete. Let them ride out the strong part of their competitive cycle and maybe the Brewers can get there in a few years. It will be a fun season for fans of great baseball. I understand hating big markets but most of those teams drafted well like anyone else would have to and they deserve to be here.

Hope the Red Sox overpay Martinez. The Yankees, Red Sox, and Cubs will have a bit of a financial crunch in the not-too-distant future. The Nats already do. The Dodgers and Astros are situated a little better but all their good young players will eat up a lot of cash eventually too. Many of the Indians will be past their prime soon.

The Brewers did the right thing this offseason.

Lots of players still out there and a waterfall of trades to maybe come after signings...I wouldn’t make any proclamations yet.

While you say those teams have a “financial crunch,” it’s slightly true but mostly happening now. The Yankees and many other teams are trying to hang under the luxury tax to go bonkers next offseason.

[wichmae]

I'm relieved that the Brewers didn't do anything except maybe pick up a couple flip candidates. Just give your young guys and reclamation projects a chance to up their trade value and wait a few years. The elite teams in baseball are too good to compete. Let them ride out the strong part of their competitive cycle and maybe the Brewers can get there in a few years. It will be a fun season for fans of great baseball. I understand hating big markets but most of those teams drafted well like anyone else would have to and they deserve to be here.

Hope the Red Sox overpay Martinez. The Yankees, Red Sox, and Cubs will have a bit of a financial crunch in the not-too-distant future. The Nats already do. The Dodgers and Astros are situated a little better but all their good young players will eat up a lot of cash eventually too. Many of the Indians will be past their prime soon.

The Brewers did the right thing this offseason.

Lots of players still out there and a waterfall of trades to maybe come after signings...I wouldn’t make any proclamations yet.

While you say those teams have a “financial crunch,” it’s slightly true but mostly happening now. The Yankees and many other teams are trying to hang under the luxury tax to go bonkers next offseason.

Now that almost all the arby figures are done you'll start seeing some more moves. I think teams are waiting on the big three chips to fall Arrieta, Yu, and Cobb to figure out what to do after that. I will say though the longer this drags on the more and more I feel like we sign one of these guys. I really hope we dont sign a comp guy but I feel like its gonna happen.

[coolhandluke121]

Lots of players still out there and a waterfall of trades to maybe come after signings...I wouldn’t make any proclamations yet.

While you say those teams have a “financial crunch,” it’s slightly true but mostly happening now. The Yankees and many other teams are trying to hang under the luxury tax to go bonkers next offseason.

Don't get me wrong; I know those teams have deep pockets and will be good for a while. But they'll peak soon and guys will age and there will be opportunities for teams like the Brewers to emerge in a few years.

I would bet that they're sitting this out on purpose. Stearns is very disciplined and Mark A has publicly acknowledged the error of his impatient ways. They know they're due for regression and they can't realistically close the gap right now. I wouldn't hate it if they tried, but they're doing the right thing. Every prospect and draft pick they keep and every dollar they save could make a difference in a few years.

[Kerb Hohl]

Lots of players still out there and a waterfall of trades to maybe come after signings...I wouldn’t make any proclamations yet.

While you say those teams have a “financial crunch,” it’s slightly true but mostly happening now. The Yankees and many other teams are trying to hang under the luxury tax to go bonkers next offseason.

Don't get me wrong; I know those teams have deep pockets and will be good for a while. But they'll peak soon and guys will age and there will be opportunities for teams like the Brewers to emerge in a few years.

I would bet that they're sitting this out on purpose. Stearns is very disciplined and Mark A has publicly acknowledged the error of his impatient ways. They know they're due for regression and they can't realistically close the gap right now. I wouldn't hate it if they tried, but they're doing the right thing. Every prospect and draft pick they keep and every dollar they save could make a difference in a few years.

The problem is that when the Nats, Red Sox, and others (I think the Cubs have 3-4 more years and the Yankees won’t fall off for a while), the Rangers or Tigers or Phillies or Braves will all come in with a relatively huge payroll and dominate.

I agree in principle, though. I’m ok with giving up a pick if they like Cobb or Arrieta, but otherwise I’d like to keep all of our prospects.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I would guess the brewers are still sniffing around some bigger trades that might include one of Santana, brinson, or phillips. Otherwise I think they would have moved broxson already for whatever they could get. I'd be shocked if all 4 of those guys are on the team come spring training.

[ReasonablySober]

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[trwi7]

Trading Shaw or at least looking to trade Shaw is something we should do. If we **** give up a pick for Mike Moustakas though I'm going to punch Stearns in the **** throat.

[Kerb Hohl]

Trading Shaw or at least looking to trade Shaw is something we should do. If we **** give up a pick for Mike Moustakas though I'm going to punch Stearns in the **** throat.

Honestly, if Shaw was traded for a massive haul, you'd punch Stearns in the throat over a comp pick?

I get that you want to tank but I'd be a fan of having a fringe playoff roster now and an even more loaded farm system of depth.