2025 Brewers Minors/Prospects thread - Andrew Fischer - FRP

[Kerb Hohl]

Been awhile since we have had such a well regarded farm. Remember the long lasting days with only 1 or 2 in the top 100.

Yeah, probably pre the much trade days. Cool that Gasser into top 100. Hader trade keeps getting better.

That trade really is looking stronger and stronger...really goes to show how little us fans know despite our insistence on screaming all the time.

I'm not singling you out - because even though I disagree with it, I'm totally OK with the, "it hurt the team in 2022 and crushed a major opportunity" take.

But if you were a fan and watched any of Stearns' moves over his tenure and didn't give the benefit of the doubt to it, then it's your mistake.

If Gasser pops and you count the Contreras trade, over the next 5-6 years they may get 20-30 WAR in return for 3 WAR of Hader, who was very expensive in that timeframe. Peguero almost cancels him out.

[jute2003]

Yeah, probably pre the much trade days. Cool that Gasser into top 100. Hader trade keeps getting better.

That trade really is looking stronger and stronger...really goes to show how little us fans know despite our insistence on screaming all the time.

I'm not singling you out - because even though I disagree with it, I'm totally OK with the, "it hurt the team in 2022 and crushed a major opportunity" take.

But if you were a fan and watched any of Stearns' moves over his tenure and didn't give the benefit of the doubt to it, then it's your mistake.

If Gasser pops and you count the Contreras trade, over the next 5-6 years they may get 20-30 WAR in return for 3 WAR of Hader, who was very expensive in that timeframe. Peguero almost cancels him out.

The only thing I know about baseball prospects and their value is that I don't know a damn thing about baseball prospects and their value. Because of that, I doubt I had many hot or cold takes about that trade at the time other than agreeing with the timing.

[MVP2110]

Yeah, probably pre the much trade days. Cool that Gasser into top 100. Hader trade keeps getting better.

That trade really is looking stronger and stronger...really goes to show how little us fans know despite our insistence on screaming all the time.

I'm not singling you out - because even though I disagree with it, I'm totally OK with the, "it hurt the team in 2022 and crushed a major opportunity" take.

But if you were a fan and watched any of Stearns' moves over his tenure and didn't give the benefit of the doubt to it, then it's your mistake.

If Gasser pops and you count the Contreras trade, over the next 5-6 years they may get 20-30 WAR in return for 3 WAR of Hader, who was very expensive in that timeframe. Peguero almost cancels him out.

To be fair I think the problem most had with the trade was the timing of it, I remember thinking that prospect value wise is was a good trade. That said Hader pitched awful in the month after the trade so it didn't even really matter. In hindsight it was an absolute home run if you factor in the Contreras deal with it

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[MVP2110]

Who is the worst player you'd be willing to trade Chourio for right now in a 1:1 trade?

[Thunder Muscle]

These are always cool. Its wild its traces back to Hardy.

Yelich probably goes back to Yovani via Brinson if my memory serves me correctly.

[Brewster]

These are always cool. Its wild its traces back to Hardy.

Yelich probably goes back to Yovani via Brinson if my memory serves me correctly.

I believe we got Brinson for Lucroy.

[Thunder Muscle]

These are always cool. Its wild its traces back to Hardy.

Yelich probably goes back to Yovani via Brinson if my memory serves me correctly.

I believe we got Brinson for Lucroy.

You are correct. Lucroy/Jeffress netted Brinson. Gallardo was for Knebel, Sardinas, Diplan.

[ReasonablySober]

I wonder if Misiorowski might be on the Spencer Strider path. They're pretty similar. Both are two pitch guys, FB and SL, and both pitches are dominating.

Strider spent almost no time in the minors. Drafted in 2020, he played across four levels in 2021 and even got in 2 innings for the Braves at the end of the season. He's been up ever since, dominating.

If Misiorowski continues to dominate in AA, it wouldn't shock me if he's called up to help the Brewers if they feel like they need one more arm for a playoff push.

[wichmae]

Who is the worst player you'd be willing to trade Chourio for right now in a 1:1 trade?

I would need multiple years of control for a young pitcher. Strider or something similar.

[MVP2110]

Who is the worst player you'd be willing to trade Chourio for right now in a 1:1 trade?

I would need multiple years of control for a young pitcher. Strider or something similar.

Strider literally has the highest trade value of any player in baseball per Baseball Trade Values lol. Fwiw the 2 closest guys to Chourio on that site are Kevin Gausman & Francisco Alvarez

[wichmae]

Who is the worst player you'd be willing to trade Chourio for right now in a 1:1 trade?

I would need multiple years of control for a young pitcher. Strider or something similar.

Strider literally has the highest trade value of any player in baseball per Baseball Trade Values lol. Fwiw the 2 closest guys to Chourio on that site are Kevin Gausman & Francisco Alvarez

Annnnnd thats why I am not trading him

[ReasonablySober]

Fangraphs just completed their trade value rankings. First time in a while that no Brewers were on the list.

1 2 Ronald Acuña Jr.
2 1 Wander Franco
3 4 Julio Rodríguez
4 HM Corbin Carroll
5 13 Adley Rutschman
6 – Elly De La Cruz
7 HM Gunnar Henderson
8 3 Fernando Tatis Jr.
9 5 Yordan Alvarez
10 HM Spencer Strider
11 20 Shane McClanahan
12 37 Sean Murphy
13 22 Austin Riley
14 8 Luis Robert Jr.
15 HM Michael Harris II
16 25 Logan Webb
17 10 Sandy Alcantara
18 HM Eury Pérez
19 7 José Ramírez
20 21 Bo Bichette
21 17 Will Smith
22 28 Framber Valdez
23 HM Francisco Alvarez
24 45 Zac Gallen
25 26 Shohei Ohtani
26 HM George Kirby
27 – Anthony Volpe
28 – Matt McLain
29 6 Juan Soto
30 11 Kyle Tucker
31 16 Ozzie Albies
32 – Luis Castillo
33 HM Logan Gilbert
34 50 Randy Arozarena
35 9 Vladimir Guerrero Jr.
36 14 Bobby Witt Jr.
37 18 Jeremy Peña
38 – Zach Neto
39 27 Alejandro Kirk
40 – Hunter Brown
41 HM Hunter Greene
42 38 Oneil Cruz
43 HM Jordan Walker
44 33 Cedric Mullins
45 – Joe Ryan
46 – Spencer Steer
47 – Lars Nootbaar
48 15 Ke’Bryan Hayes
49 – Josh Jung
50 – James Wood

Chourio didn't even get a honorable mention:

Assorted Youths (Hitters)
Nolan Gorman (HM)
Patrick Bailey
Brett Baty
Dylan Crews
Yainer Diaz
Jackson Holliday
Jarred Kelenic
Josh Lowe
Luis Matos
Jackson Merrill
Miguel Vargas

This is a mix of young hitters in the majors and top prospect bats who could all easily be on the list in a year’s time. As a point of reference, on last year’s list this group featured Francisco Alvarez, Corbin Carroll, Michael Harris II, Gunnar Henderson, and Jordan Walker. It also included a fair number of misses. That’s how it works with hitters with such a short track record – all of them have the tools to excel, but none of them have done it just yet. This is the part of the list that I’m the least sure about because it’s the place where public-side analysts have the least information. I’m going off of my best judgment here, but teams could absolutely covet these guys more or less than my estimation.

[MVP2110]

I would need multiple years of control for a young pitcher. Strider or something similar.

Strider literally has the highest trade value of any player in baseball per Baseball Trade Values lol. Fwiw the 2 closest guys to Chourio on that site are Kevin Gausman & Francisco Alvarez

Annnnnd thats why I am not trading him

So basically you think Chourio is the 2nd most valuable player in all of baseball?

[MVP2110]

Fangraphs just completed their trade value rankings. First time in a while that no Brewers were on the list.

1 2 Ronald Acuña Jr.
2 1 Wander Franco
3 4 Julio Rodríguez
4 HM Corbin Carroll
5 13 Adley Rutschman
6 – Elly De La Cruz
7 HM Gunnar Henderson
8 3 Fernando Tatis Jr.
9 5 Yordan Alvarez
10 HM Spencer Strider
11 20 Shane McClanahan
12 37 Sean Murphy
13 22 Austin Riley
14 8 Luis Robert Jr.
15 HM Michael Harris II
16 25 Logan Webb
17 10 Sandy Alcantara
18 HM Eury Pérez
19 7 José Ramírez
20 21 Bo Bichette
21 17 Will Smith
22 28 Framber Valdez
23 HM Francisco Alvarez
24 45 Zac Gallen
25 26 Shohei Ohtani
26 HM George Kirby
27 – Anthony Volpe
28 – Matt McLain
29 6 Juan Soto
30 11 Kyle Tucker
31 16 Ozzie Albies
32 – Luis Castillo
33 HM Logan Gilbert
34 50 Randy Arozarena
35 9 Vladimir Guerrero Jr.
36 14 Bobby Witt Jr.
37 18 Jeremy Peña
38 – Zach Neto
39 27 Alejandro Kirk
40 – Hunter Brown
41 HM Hunter Greene
42 38 Oneil Cruz
43 HM Jordan Walker
44 33 Cedric Mullins
45 – Joe Ryan
46 – Spencer Steer
47 – Lars Nootbaar
48 15 Ke’Bryan Hayes
49 – Josh Jung
50 – James Wood

Chourio didn't even get a honorable mention:

Assorted Youths (Hitters)
Nolan Gorman (HM)
Patrick Bailey
Brett Baty
Dylan Crews
Yainer Diaz
Jackson Holliday
Jarred Kelenic
Josh Lowe
Luis Matos
Jackson Merrill
Miguel Vargas

This is a mix of young hitters in the majors and top prospect bats who could all easily be on the list in a year’s time. As a point of reference, on last year’s list this group featured Francisco Alvarez, Corbin Carroll, Michael Harris II, Gunnar Henderson, and Jordan Walker. It also included a fair number of misses. That’s how it works with hitters with such a short track record – all of them have the tools to excel, but none of them have done it just yet. This is the part of the list that I’m the least sure about because it’s the place where public-side analysts have the least information. I’m going off of my best judgment here, but teams could absolutely covet these guys more or less than my estimation.

I think that's probably accurate, although Chourio should probably be included in the HM group. But I can't disagree with no Brewers being in the top 50

[wichmae]

There are a TON of names on that list I dont trade Chourio for.

[wichmae]

Strider literally has the highest trade value of any player in baseball per Baseball Trade Values lol. Fwiw the 2 closest guys to Chourio on that site are Kevin Gausman & Francisco Alvarez

Annnnnd thats why I am not trading him

So basically you think Chourio is the 2nd most valuable player in all of baseball?

No, not exactly. I am factoring in what makes the most sense with everything considered. It doesnt make a ton of sense to trade for any vet or long term $. We arent getting Adley or EDLC or anything like that. It just doesnt make any sense to get anything other than young controllable pitching.

[MVP2110]

There are a TON of names on that list I dont trade Chourio for.

I think it's worth noting that everyone that top 50 had played in the majors, was young, and under control. It's just so hard to put someone who has zero ML time above guys who have had ML success, are young, and have team control left