Trade Rumors Thread - Brewers Open for Business (30)

Asher · Post #661 » by **Asher** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:36 am

don't think we're understanding each other. if i'm melvin i say 'profar?' and wait for the laughter. then i say 'olt?' and wait for the response. i'm not saying the rangers would change their minds and offer olt tomorrow---which is exactly why they took segura instead. they knew where the rangers stood---they didn't like anybody from the sox or dodgers or whoever better, and didn't think a better offer could come from another team in the next few days. so they did the segura deal.

that seems simplistic now that i've typed it but it's there and i'm posting it

mlloyd10 · Post #662 » by **mlloyd10** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 2:34 am

ESPN insider suggests that the Brewers might not be done trading. It all depends on Chase Headley. Jason Churchill says numerous teams could use his services,

Post #663 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 2:38 am

Due to the nature of tonight's trade and no major league level talent coming back, particularly at SP, it makes no sense to hold onto Ramirez and especially Hart. That said, you couldn't give them away either. They can still be moved in the winter if you don't get serious rotation help.

mlloyd10 · Post #664 » by **mlloyd10** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 2:49 am

DrugBust wrote:Due to the nature of tonight's trade and no major league level talent coming back, particularly at SP, it makes no sense to hold onto Ramirez and especially Hart. That said, you couldn't give them away either. They can still be moved in the winter if you don't get serious rotation help.

Define Major league Talent

Post #665 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 2:59 am

By the sound of it I wouldn't expect to see any of the three guys we got being on the roster until next summer, at least. The pitchers are further away.

mlloyd10 · Post #666 » by **mlloyd10** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 3:01 am

DrugBust wrote:Guys you probably shouldn't expect in Milwaukee soon.

Think Jean Segura will be our starting SS next year

gbmb34 · Post #667 » by **gbmb34** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 3:37 am

DrugBust wrote:Due to the nature of tonight's trade and no major league level talent coming back, particularly at SP, it makes no sense to hold onto Ramirez and especially Hart. That said, you couldn't give them away either. They can still be moved in the winter if you don't get serious rotation help.

Totally disagree with this. I could easily see Segura at starting SS in 2013, sign a FA CF and trade two of the advanced pitching prospects for Johnson, Shields, Garza and/or sign Edwin Jackson or something similar.

If they trade Hart and ARam, then sure.

trwi7 · Post #668 » by **trwi7** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 3:40 am

We just reloaded the farm system. Why are we then going to go out and gut it again for a maybe shot at the playoffs? Let's let these young kids play, see how they develop. That's what the franchise needs to be doing. Not trading prospects for every cheap, band-aid fix to a hole on the major league roster every couple of years.

gbmb34 · Post #669 » by **gbmb34** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 4:09 am

trwi7 wrote:We just reloaded the farm system. Why are we then going to go out and gut it again for a maybe shot at the playoffs? Let's let these young kids play, see how they develop. That's what the franchise needs to be doing. Not trading prospects for every cheap, band-aid fix to a hole on the major league roster every couple of years.

I'm not advocating one way or the other, just saying it could happen. Your same rationale was used before the 2010-2011 offseason and Melvin went out and got Marcum and Greinke.

Acquiring those guys would not "gut" the farm system. They have a lot of pitching prospects that could be attractive to other teams should they choose to trade for a top of the rotation starter for next season.

El Duderino · Post #670 » by **El Duderino** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 4:42 am

DrugBust wrote:Due to the nature of tonight's trade and no major league level talent coming back, particularly at SP, it makes no sense to hold onto Ramirez and especially Hart. That said, you couldn't give them away either. They can still be moved in the winter if you don't get serious rotation help.

If both Hart and Ramirez are kept, it's going to be interesting to see just how exactly the roster ends up being put together for next season given both the rotation and bullpen will need so many new pieces. It also would be interesting to be a fly on the wall and hear what influence Attanasio ends up having on how the roster next year is constructed.

Clearly Attanasio is an owner who pays close attention to all aspects of the team and has some degree of influence in moves the team makes, along with what direction is taken from year to year, but it's hard to know just how much influence he wields on Melvin.

Ryan5UW · Post #671 » by **Ryan5UW** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:44 am

DrugBust wrote:Due to the nature of tonight's trade and no major league level talent coming back, particularly at SP, it makes no sense to hold onto Ramirez and especially Hart. That said, you couldn't give them away either. They can still be moved in the winter if you don't get serious rotation help.

Definitely agree on Ramirez, and probably on Hart too (for the right deal) but I don't see Attanasio going that far. I'd imagine, and I'm obviously purely guessing, that he thinks between adding a piece or two in the offseason and guys either shaking off a fluke-y season or coming back from injuries that we can compete again next year.

Bernman · Post #672 » by **Bernman** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:00 pm

No reason to give up on this core because the bullpen dug too big of a hole for the season to be salvageable. This team should have made the playoffs and I'm confident a similar version with minor tweaks would improve their probabilities next year. Theoretically, Greinke could still come back in the offseason, so while they may haven't gotten much help for next year in the trade, they may not have lost anything either. We'll see what happens in winter. And one or more of Segura, Pena, or Hellweg could bolster the team next season. We'll get a better view of which prospects from the farm are ready down the stretch this season. That's one of the silver linings of burying yourself early.

Patience is needed for both the win later, as well as win now approach. Hart and Ramirez could be traded in the offseason if free agency doesn't materialize like hoped. Then they could both be traded next trade deadline if the season doesn't play out as expected due to injuries and volatile bullpen issues like this year. I especially don't want to give up A-Ram flippantly. Corey Hart I'd be more flexible on, but A-Ram is under contract for an extra year, and is a middle of the order hitter to drive in Braun who we couldn't easily pick up again in free agency or if we tried to trade for someone of his ilk he'd cost us.

1. Weeks, 2. Aoki, 3. Braun, 4. Ramirez, 5. Hart, 6. Lucroy, 7. Gamel, 8. Gonzalez
bench - Maldanado, Gomez, Segura, Schafer, etc

1. Greinke, 2. Gallardo, 3. Fiers, 4. Marcum - can buy low, 5. Narveson/Thornburg/Peralta/Rogers

1. Axford, 2. K-Rod - can buy low here too, allocate salary allotment more to bullpen depth

I think that's a really freaking good team on paper, and reasonably affordable for the franchise in their current state.

trwi7 · Post #673 » by **trwi7** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:39 pm

Segura on the bench? Are you high?

Post #674 » by **jr lucosa** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:07 pm

I do think we can be back in the playoff hunt next year.

I think our major *I stress MAJOR* problem is the bullpen, but if our supposed strong point coming into the season didn't massively fail we would still be in the race right now. I think both the Pirates and probably the Reds come back stronger next year, but they won't be world beaters. If we can fix up the bull pen and round out the back of the rotation I see no reason why we can't compete for a wild card spot at the very least.

xTitan · Post #675 » by **xTitan** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:15 pm

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coolhandluke121 · Post #676 » by **coolhandluke121** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:34 pm

Gonzalez didn't make his vesting option (obviously) and I doubt very much that the Brewers bring him back for $4m after his injury now that they have Segura.

Keeping Weeks is a given. The Brewers have to just hope that he returns to form. They can't trade him now when his value is so low.

Sucks that Marcum is hurt and K-Rod is so bad.

I don't really like the fact that they're so sure about Maldonado after such a short stint of good hitting. I'm getting Listach flashbacks. Seems reactionary. I think Kottaras has more overall potential as a hitter, and he's a lefty to boot.

A-Ram and Hart are the obvious trade candidates right now. If they get a good offer, I wouldn't be surprised if either one of them is gone. But I think it's more likely that they will wait until the offseason and then determine whether they have a chance at signing Hamilton before trading one of them to free up salary.

I think Nyjer was kind of a flash in the pan. Given his blunders on the basepaths and his tendency to misjudge an occasional flyball, I think Aoki has clearly beaten him out in cf. They need more power in rf, and Aoki in rf is not a long-term solution.

So in conclusion:
Braun
Aoki/Gomez
Hamilton
Hart* or Gamel
Weeks
Segura
A-Ram* or Green
Lucroy

*One of these two would have to be traded if they sign Hamilton.

El Duderino · Post #677 » by **El Duderino** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:38 pm

jr lucosa wrote:I do think we can be back in the playoff hunt next year.

I think our major *I stress MAJOR* problem is the bullpen, but if our supposed strong point coming into the season didn't massively fail we would still be in the race right now. I think both the Pirates and probably the Reds come back stronger next year, but they won't be world beaters. If we can fix up the bull pen and round out the back of the rotation I see no reason why we can't compete for a wild card spot at the very least.

It's not just the bullpen, we'll likely need close to a whole new pitching staff. Assuming Marcum isn't resigned, the only guys a lock for the rotation would be Gallardo and Fiers. Axford in the pen is the only guy a lock to be back. Doug would need to have a near miraculous offseason to put together a pitching staff which could pitch well enough to compete for a playoff berth.

xTitan · Post #678 » by **xTitan** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:39 pm

LOL...Hamilton isn't coming to Milwaukee some team will make a MAJOR blunder over paying him.

I agree on Maldonado, he will never be as good as he is now, would trade him.

The Brewers need to spend the majority of their $$ on the bullpen, hopefully they can completely retool it.

I would float the idea of offering a 2 yr. extension to corey, his first base play has been nothing short of brilliant, it is time to let Gamel go, just not going to happen.

I would love to see the Brewers flat out release a number of players after Tuesdays deadline, Morgan at the top of the list. It is time to give some young guys playing experience, Logan Schafer is a talent, time to give him a couple months to see what he can do.

xTitan · Post #679 » by **xTitan** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:40 pm

El Duderino wrote:
jr lucosa wrote:I do think we can be back in the playoff hunt next year.

I think our major *I stress MAJOR* problem is the bullpen, but if our supposed strong point coming into the season didn't massively fail we would still be in the race right now. I think both the Pirates and probably the Reds come back stronger next year, but they won't be world beaters. If we can fix up the bull pen and round out the back of the rotation I see no reason why we can't compete for a wild card spot at the very least.

It's not just the bullpen, we'll likely need close to a whole new pitching staff. Assuming Marcum isn't resigned, the only guys a lock for the rotation would be Gallardo and Fiers. Axford in the pen is the only guy a lock to be back. Doug would need to have a near miraculous offseason to put together a pitching staff which could pitch well enough to compete for a playoff berth.

Agreed, the Brewers will be battling the Cubs for last place next year.

Post #680 » by **jr lucosa** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:42 pm

El Duderino wrote:
jr lucosa wrote:I do think we can be back in the playoff hunt next year.

I think our major *I stress MAJOR* problem is the bullpen, but if our supposed strong point coming into the season didn't massively fail we would still be in the race right now. I think both the Pirates and probably the Reds come back stronger next year, but they won't be world beaters. If we can fix up the bull pen and round out the back of the rotation I see no reason why we can't compete for a wild card spot at the very least.

It's not just the bullpen, we'll likely need close to a whole new pitching staff. Assuming Marcum isn't resigned, the only guys a lock for the rotation would be Gallardo and Fiers. Axford in the pen is the only guy a lock to be back. Doug would need to have a near miraculous offseason to put together a pitching staff which could pitch well enough to compete for a playoff berth.

I would throw Marcum the QO. Then you have two spots to fill in a rotation with a lot of young talent worthy of getting a chance. Like I said we would need to fix the pen and round out the back of the rotation, but it's not like it is impossible. Bullpens are always unpredictable because relievers are so up and down, but we really aren't that far away to compete for a wildcard spot.