2019 Brewers Offseason Thread - Phelps Signed

Turk Nowitzki · Post #721 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:23 pm

I'm so ready for the Sogard/Gyorko 3B platoon. :lol:

Heading over to BF now to see people's heads explode. That site has been an absolute disaster this offseason.

Kerb Hohl · Post #722 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:26 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:Camp guy who's played third

He got a major league deal. He's our new 3B.

Pretty heavy splits so I'm guessing Sogard will get in on the platoon there as noted by Turk.

Unless Hiura is on the move...

Kerb Hohl · Post #723 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:31 pm

Unless they plan on easing Urias in from the minors, it seems very likely that either Arcia or Hiura is on the move. Urias is now probably ruled out from having any role at 3B.

Of course if it's Arcia he is probably just a throwaway or traded for an extreme buy-low pitcher...if it's Hiura, it's a massive deal.

crkone · Post #724 » by **crkone** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:08 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:Camp guy who's played third

He got a major league deal. He's our new 3B.

Pretty heavy splits so I'm guessing Sogard will get in on the platoon there as noted by Turk.

Unless Hiura is on the move...

Yeah I believe CC said Sogard would man 3rd so this is going to be a platoon.

M-C-G · Post #725 » by **M-C-G** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:54 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:I'm so ready for the Sogard/Gyorko 3B platoon.

Heading over to BF now to see people's heads explode. That site has been an absolute disaster this offseason.

Looks like he has a .267/.341/.455/.796 lines against LHP over his career. Seems pretty solid as a platoon.

MAC1987 · Post #726 » by **MAC1987** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:15 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:Camp guy who's played third

He got a major league deal. He's our new 3B.

Pretty heavy splits so I'm guessing Sogard will get in on the platoon there as noted by Turk.

Unless Hiura is on the move...

I dont get this, Hiura could be on the move.... We have Urias and Arcia and a bunch of old guys. How does getting Sogard and Gyrko, equal, gettimg rid of your young stud hitter?

I get that it is cool to think about what we could get in return. I just dont see what team will offer enough for him.

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Kerb Hohl · Post #727 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:15 pm

If this is basically the end of the roster construction, it's kinda a "meh" but I think they'll at least be in the mix. You could spin it as 2018 where if a few surprises happen, they can make some moves at the deadline and be a WS contender.

The "ugh they cut payroll people" will be out in full force but I think they did an alright job with some cheaper signings to create more depth around the diamond.

Hopefully, all of this is to set up one final move. They're at about $100 million...they don't have to go all the way back to $120 but they may have one more slot for a trade...I'm not sure of the position, really, though. You'd think they're trading for a pitcher or there is some Hiura blockbuster out there, but the roster does look close to full.

Kerb Hohl · Post #728 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:19 pm

MAC1987 wrote:
Kerb Hohl wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
He got a major league deal. He's our new 3B.

Pretty heavy splits so I'm guessing Sogard will get in on the platoon there as noted by Turk.

Unless Hiura is on the move...
I dont get this, Hiura could be on the move.... We have Urias and Arcia and a bunch of old guys. How does getting Sogard and Gyrko, equal, gettimg rid of your young stud hitter?

I get that it is cool to think about what we could get in return. I just dont see what team will offer enough for him.

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More of a hail mary idea but they have a couple of paths:

1. Start Urias in AAA, dump Arcia at some point.
2. Stick with Arcia (or sign a SS/use Sogard there a bit), trade Hiura, Urias at 2B.

The point, though, is that Arcia doesn't seem to make sense right now unless Urias is starting in AAA. Maybe he's even more throwaway than I think (and I have a low value on him at this point) but if Urias is their shortstop then at the very least, Arcia is gone.

They've got all of the spots overloaded is the idea so someone is likely on the move. Maybe all it is is trading Arcia for a bag of baseballs or cutting him around Spring Training...but they have too many everyday players for too little starting spots unless I'm miscalculating that they would keep Arcia as a bench glove or start Urias in AAA.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #729 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:23 pm

M-C-G wrote:
Turk Nowitzki wrote:I'm so ready for the Sogard/Gyorko 3B platoon.

Heading over to BF now to see people's heads explode. That site has been an absolute disaster this offseason.

Looks like he has a .267/.341/.455/.796 lines against LHP over his career. Seems pretty solid as a platoon.

Oh I get what Stearns is going for here. I think it's safe to say it's not quite what anyone was expecting and people with higher expectations elsewhere on the internet are not necessarily handling it well.

Kerb Hohl · Post #730 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:29 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
Turk Nowitzki wrote:I'm so ready for the Sogard/Gyorko 3B platoon.

Heading over to BF now to see people's heads explode. That site has been an absolute disaster this offseason.

Looks like he has a .267/.341/.455/.796 lines against LHP over his career. Seems pretty solid as a platoon.

Oh I get what Stearns is going for here. I think it's safe to say it's not quite what anyone was expecting and people with higher expectations elsewhere on the internet are not necessarily handling it well.

The thing for me here is that the people expecting more were the optimists like me but still kinda trust the process.

The people that hate the Gyorko move over there and a few over here are the ones that have been mad online for 2 months about the "cut payroll" comment as this plays right into it so their expectations were already quite low. That and that same crowd is just generally negative on every scrap heap/middling Stearns move. And as it stands right now, I'm not really even trying to rip that group, because while I think they're overly negative...they still may be closer to right this year.

Post #731 » by **MickeyDavis** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:17 pm

This Hiera trade talk...smh. We're going to trade a young great hitter with years of control for what? Prospects? MLBers with less years of control?

Kerb Hohl · Post #732 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:26 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:This Hiera trade talk...smh. We're going to trade a young great hitter with years of control for what? Prospects? MLBers with less years of control?

For the record, I am not suggesting it is likely or a good idea at all. I'm just saying someone's gotta go from the middle of the infield probably. They won't be trading someone they just signed. So it's very likely they either keep Urias in AAA or trade/give away Arcia...but the other guy in the mix is Hiura. Maybe they could find a pitcher they like with a lot of years of control, I don't know. Just trying to connect the dots with the payroll having a bit of room (maybe) and a surplus in the middle infield.

They'll probably just give Arcia up for hopefully something of OK value.

coolhandluke121 · Post #733 » by **coolhandluke121** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:31 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:
Heading over to BF now to see people's heads explode. That site has been an absolute disaster this offseason.

Be careful. That sort of cursing is not allowed on the bf.

trwi7 · Post #734 » by **trwi7** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:57 pm

Hoping Gyorko is a bust so we can DFA him so I don't have to hear BA say Jedd Gyorko 10,000 times this year.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #735 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:40 pm

They have a club option for next year on this deal, did the same on Smoak's deal as well I believe. If he and/or Gyorko happen to bounce back that will look smart.

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DanoMac · Post #736 » by **DanoMac** » Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:10 am

MickeyDavis wrote:This Hiera trade talk...smh. We're going to trade a young great hitter with years of control for what? Prospects? MLBers with less years of control?

+1,000,000

Post #737 » by **MickeyDavis** » Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:31 am

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Post #738 » by **MickeyDavis** » Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:33 am

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crkone · Post #739 » by **crkone** » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:13 pm

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That seems quite optimistic but what do I know.

MAC1987 · Post #740 » by **MAC1987** » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:35 pm

crkone wrote:

Read on Twitter

That seems quite optimistic but what do I know.

I don't know anything about this either. But it looks pretty reputable.

http://m.mlb.com/glossary/projection-systems/szymborski-projection-system

"Like other projection systems, ZiPS uses past performance and aging trends to develop a future projection for players. On FanGraphs, the projections are updated daily and predict each player's numbers over the course of the remainder of the season.

Obviously, no one is claiming that every ZiPS prediction will come true, but it is widely regarded as one of the most accurate predictors in the industry."