Brewers/Tigers Series

Post #1 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue May 19, 2015 12:52 am

MIKE FIERS IS STILL A GOLDEN GOD FROM THE DEPTHS OF HELL AND HIS K TO 9 RATIO IS HERE TO EAT YOUR SOUL.

coolhandluke121 · Post #2 » by **coolhandluke121** » Tue May 19, 2015 12:59 am

Good to see Gomez come right back and knock one out of the park after that nasty beaning yesterday. No fear.

PANDEMONEUM · Post #3 » by **PANDEMONEUM** » Tue May 19, 2015 9:09 pm

5/19/2015 tuesdays lineup

Post #4 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed May 20, 2015 12:02 am

back to back to back.

treego · Post #5 » by **treego** » Wed May 20, 2015 12:05 am

The Brewers are GRRREEAATTTT!!!! That's what Tony the Tiger would say!

blazza18 · Post #6 » by **blazza18** » Wed May 20, 2015 12:19 am

Goddamn we better get something good back when we trade GoGo.

blazza18 · Post #7 » by **blazza18** » Wed May 20, 2015 1:48 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/RyanPBoyer/status/600838323788075009[/tweet]

Trade home now

PANDEMONEUM · Post #8 » by **PANDEMONEUM** » Wed May 20, 2015 6:40 pm

Wednesday 5/20/2015

Thunder Muscle · Post #9 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Wed May 20, 2015 7:42 pm

Nelson when on looks pretty good.

Knebel looked decent. Straight gas. If he has a consistent curveball, definitely think he is closer material.

NeedsMoreCheese · Post #10 » by **NeedsMoreCheese** » Thu May 21, 2015 12:57 am

Honestly if Braun is Braun again alot changes. Probably not in a way here most will agree with, but if you get Luc back and he plays at the level we're accustomed to, along with GoGo, well **** there's no selling happening.

blazza18 · Post #11 » by **blazza18** » Thu May 21, 2015 1:04 am

He seems to be drawing walks a bit more along with his power too. Interesting to see if this is just a good stretch or if he's getting back to an all star level. I'm still kinda hopeful a team offers up something too good to pass up.

coolhandluke121 · Post #12 » by **coolhandluke121** » Thu May 21, 2015 1:22 am

Welcome to the debate KIAM. I think there's a huge rush to judgment here. This is not a bad team. Braun looks good. It's not just the numbers - his bat speed and composure at the plate are back. The thumb surgery apparently worked. Gomez and Luc are in their primes. Lind is a huge upgrade. Sardinas, Hector, and Herrera are the kind of versatile role players they've lacked in the Mark A era. There's nothing about Garza and Lohse's end of 2014 that suggests they're close to washed up, like Wolf and Marcum at the end of 2011 and into 2012. It's a pretty talented team if healthy. If Ramirez just stays around .725-.750, when Segura and Lucroy come back it's the first time since 1992 I can remember them not having at least two absolutely terrible players in the everyday lineup at the same time. And I like Counsell a lot more than RR so far. The bullpen sucks, but bullpens are so fickle. Knebel and Henderson could be a big shot in the arm.

NerdsterBuck · Post #13 » by **NerdsterBuck** » Thu May 21, 2015 1:36 am

Idk about you guys but I am all for having DH in the NL. This series has shown that the Brewers are able to rest Braun and Ramirez by DH, and when they do use Braun as the DH, both Parra and Davis are also able to play.

coolhandluke121 · Post #14 » by **coolhandluke121** » Thu May 21, 2015 1:40 am

Having those left-handed bats alternating in the lineup is kind of cool. Case in point, Hardy comes in and gets the strikeout but now they've used him. It's the last game of this series so it doesn't matter against Detroit, but little things like that will help the team in other series. They've really ignored little details like that for a long time, and it's nice to see that changing.

Post #15 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu May 21, 2015 1:41 am

coolhandluke121 wrote:Welcome to the debate KIAM. I think there's a huge rush to judgment here. This is not a bad team. Braun looks good. It's not just the numbers - his bat speed and composure at the plate are back. The thumb surgery apparently worked. Gomez and Luc are in their primes. Lind is a huge upgrade. Sardinas, Hector, and Herrera are the kind of versatile role players they've lacked in the Mark A era. There's nothing about Garza and Lohse's end of 2014 that suggests they're close to washed up, like Wolf and Marcum at the end of 2011 and into 2012. It's a pretty talented team if healthy. If Ramirez just stays around .725-.750, when Segura and Lucroy come back it's the first time since 1992 I can remember them not having at least two absolutely terrible players in the everyday lineup at the same time. And I like Counsell a lot more than RR so far. The bullpen sucks, but bullpens are so fickle. Knebel and Henderson could be a big shot in the arm.

Whether or not they're bad is completely beside the point. It's whether or not they're good enough to contend. The fact is they dug themselves a hole that is going to be almost impossible to dig themselves out of. So they can either keep the aging vets they have and hope to finish around .500 (and that isn't getting them into the playoffs) or they can move the valuable assets they have.

NerdsterBuck · Post #16 » by **NerdsterBuck** » Thu May 21, 2015 1:58 am

So Gennett struggled and he was sent down to the minors. Now why is Broxton who was been aweful, not yet release?

coolhandluke121 · Post #17 » by **coolhandluke121** » Thu May 21, 2015 1:59 am

ReasonablySober wrote:
Whether or not they're bad is completely beside the point.

It's not beside the point for Mark A or Melvin.

Kerb Hohl · Post #18 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Thu May 21, 2015 2:23 am

NerdsterBuck wrote:So Gennett struggled and he was sent down to the minors. Now why is Broxton who was been aweful, not yet release?

No option with him...hope he works it out so he can be dealt for something.

NeedsMoreCheese · Post #19 » by **NeedsMoreCheese** » Thu May 21, 2015 3:44 am

ReasonablySober wrote:
coolhandluke121 wrote:Welcome to the debate KIAM. I think there's a huge rush to judgment here. This is not a bad team. Braun looks good. It's not just the numbers - his bat speed and composure at the plate are back. The thumb surgery apparently worked. Gomez and Luc are in their primes. Lind is a huge upgrade. Sardinas, Hector, and Herrera are the kind of versatile role players they've lacked in the Mark A era. There's nothing about Garza and Lohse's end of 2014 that suggests they're close to washed up, like Wolf and Marcum at the end of 2011 and into 2012. It's a pretty talented team if healthy. If Ramirez just stays around .725-.750, when Segura and Lucroy come back it's the first time since 1992 I can remember them not having at least two absolutely terrible players in the everyday lineup at the same time. And I like Counsell a lot more than RR so far. The bullpen sucks, but bullpens are so fickle. Knebel and Henderson could be a big shot in the arm.

Whether or not they're bad is completely beside the point. It's whether or not they're good enough to contend. The fact is they dug themselves a hole that is going to be almost impossible to dig themselves out of. So they can either keep the aging vets they have and hope to finish around .500 (and that isn't getting them into the playoffs) or they can move the valuable assets they have.

It's almost impossible to be in first place for 157 days and not make the playoffs. But they did it. And this team isn't all that different than last year. They've gotten better in some areas and worse in others but no major drop off. So who knows?
Is that a basis for not rebuilding a bit to compete in a few years by selling off high on some guys now? No. But with this management group? Probably.

El Duderino · Post #20 » by **El Duderino** » Thu May 21, 2015 7:45 am

coolhandluke121 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
Whether or not they're bad is completely beside the point.

It's not beside the point for Mark A or Melvin.

Maybe i'm wrong, but it feels like to me that once we get into July and if the team looks to have slim at best odds of actually grabbing a playoff berth, Melvin will for sure have an opinion as whether to be a major seller, but the final say will be almost entirely by Attanasio.

Melvin may not even end up being back next year. The trade deadline this year really looks like it could be one of those big moments in a sports franchise's history, which can happen also in other sports. Where a team faces a fork in the road to where they can keep going in the same mostly just drifting direction or decide it needs to reboot with youth over veterans, even if losing at least in the short term is very likely.

To me, Gomez will be the biggest answer as to what Attanasio decides. If say Lohse and maybe a relief pitcher like K-Rod is moved for fairly marginal returns, but Gomez is still on the team, that will be telling that our owner simply can't stomach a serious rebuilding plan.