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I was pumped for this until I remembered Garza was pitching.

Turk Nowitzki wrote:I was pumped for this until I remembered Garza was pitching.

In his first 16 starts of the season Garza had a 3.68 ERA with a .706 OPS. Outside of a couple blips recently, he's been really pretty good.

The consistently poor defence this team plays is such a **** joke.

Ugly

I can't **** believe Torres is still on the roster.*

*I'll take something said in May, Alex.

I haven't seen a win in person yet this season. This will be loss number 8

ReasonablySober wrote:I can't **** believe Garza is still on the roster.*

*I'll take something said in May, Alex.

FIFY

MickeyDavis wrote:I haven't seen a win in person yet this season. This will be loss number 8

Should've said this earlier. Would've bought you **** season tickets, man.

Wow, Garzy just never disappoints. Remember that stretch he had? Did that even happen?

Yeah, Garza is useless right now. Rather have anybody else start.

ReasonablySober wrote:

Turk Nowitzki wrote:I was pumped for this until I remembered Garza was pitching.

In his first 16 starts of the season Garza had a 3.68 ERA with a .706 OPS. Outside of a couple blips recently, he's been really pretty good.

Nope. He sucks and has always sucked since he came here. Perhaps he's decent when it doesn't matter and his "blips" just come at the most inopportune times, or perhaps he really is just a sh*tty pitcher - I think both are probably true. At the very least, I think it's safe to say that he is (and has been) our worst starting pitcher. Even though conventional wisdom would tell you that Suter should be given consideration to take his place in the rotation when he comes back, we all know that won't happen. Garza is one of those "gritty veterans" that managers seem to always love, regardless of performance.

There's really only two players on this team that I hate (Garza and Torres), and tonight they proved why, once again...

Of course, my opinion on Garza is heavily influenced on the fact that the Brewers have become a different team. Perhaps Garza pitches better when his team spots him 6 runs, but how often does he go out and win a game all by himself? For the first half of the season, the Brewers were a team that simply out-scored opponents, which covered up some pitching deficiencies (look no further than Davies' W/L record for proof). But since the AS break, they've been quite the opposite....and it's night and day. They're no longer winning games despite their pitching; their only winning games BECAUSE of their pitching.

Who could've predicted, after the first three months, that our offense would be the problem? And even if you saw THAT coming, you certainly couldn't have predicted that it would be our PITCHING that would keep this team in contention. Yet here we are, with an anemic offense and a (dare I say) "Good" pitching staff keeping us in contention.

Garza is such a farce-za.

Not sure who I despise more Garza or Suppan

Prickle wrote:

ReasonablySober wrote:

Turk Nowitzki wrote:I was pumped for this until I remembered Garza was pitching.

In his first 16 starts of the season Garza had a 3.68 ERA with a .706 OPS. Outside of a couple blips recently, he's been really pretty good.

Nope. He sucks and has always sucked since he came here. Perhaps he's decent when it doesn't matter and his "blips" just come at the most inopportune times, or perhaps he really is just a sh*tty pitcher - I think both are probably true. At the very least, I think it's safe to say that he is (and has been) our worst starting pitcher. Even though conventional wisdom would tell you that Suter should be given consideration to take his place in the rotation when he comes back, we all know that won't happen. Garza is one of those "gritty veterans" that managers seem to always love, regardless of performance.

There's really only two players on this team that I hate (Garza and Torres), and tonight they proved why, once again...

I give you 17 games of evidence of #3-#4 quality, you say nope he sucks. The hell am I supposed to do with that?

ReasonablySober wrote:

Turk Nowitzki wrote:I was pumped for this until I remembered Garza was pitching.

In his first 16 starts of the season Garza had a 3.68 ERA with a .706 OPS. Outside of a couple blips recently, he's been really pretty good.

Again, insert "Suppan" for "Garza" and "mistakes" or "pitches" or "innings" or "hitters" or "outings" for "blips" and we've all seen this song and dance before. Just stop. Yes, Garza hasn't been as terrible this season as most of his time in Milwaukee. But he's still terrible and had no business starting last night's game.

I'm not blaming Counsell for Manny Pina's injury, that would be a giant stretch, but his decision to start Garza, with at least two superior options available, is gross negligence at best, and resulted in an injury to Manny Pina.

JimmyTheKid wrote:

ReasonablySober wrote:

Turk Nowitzki wrote:I was pumped for this until I remembered Garza was pitching.

In his first 16 starts of the season Garza had a 3.68 ERA with a .706 OPS. Outside of a couple blips recently, he's been really pretty good.

Again, insert "Suppan" for "Garza" and "mistakes" or "pitches" or "innings" or "hitters" or "outings" for "blips" and we've all seen this song and dance before. Just stop. Yes, Garza hasn't been as terrible this season as most of his time in Milwaukee. But he's still terrible and had no business starting last night's game.

I'm not blaming Counsell for Manny Pina's injury, that would be a giant stretch, but his decision to start Garza, with at least two superior options available, is gross negligence at best, and resulted in an injury to Manny Pina.

Again, they really are just a couple bad outings. He's had 13 starts with 3 or less ERs given up. You're arguing on the side of complete fiction.

ReasonablySober wrote:

JimmyTheKid wrote:

ReasonablySober wrote:
In his first 16 starts of the season Garza had a 3.68 ERA with a .706 OPS. Outside of a couple blips recently, he's been really pretty good.

Again, insert "Suppan" for "Garza" and "mistakes" or "pitches" or "innings" or "hitters" or "outings" for "blips" and we've all seen this song and dance before. Just stop. Yes, Garza hasn't been as terrible this season as most of his time in Milwaukee. But he's still terrible and had no business starting last night's game.

I'm not blaming Counsell for Manny Pina's injury, that would be a giant stretch, but his decision to start Garza, with at least two superior options available, is gross negligence at best, and resulted in an injury to Manny Pina.

Again, they really are just a couple bad outings. He's had 13 starts with 3 or less ERs given up. You're arguing on the side of complete fiction.

Which part of my argument is "complete fiction?" That Brandon Woodruff is a superior option to Matt Garza in the middle of a playoff chase? Or that you can literally play that "except for a couple bad innings, pitches, outings, mistakes" with every sh*tty pitcher?

And sure, Garza has had "13 starts with 3 ER or less" but many of those he didn't even go 6 innings. Meaning they were sh*tty outings. And he's only had 6 Quality Starts this year. I just looked at the list of starters with more Quality Starts than Matt Garza. There are a sh*tton of sh*tty pitchers on that list.

For example, Derek Holland has 12 quality starts, twice the amount of Garza's 6, and owns a 6.05 ERA and 1.68 WHIP. I doubt there are too many White Sox fans out there saying "yeah, well, he has 17 starts with 3 ER or less, so, ya know, its only been a few bad outings."

JimmyTheKid wrote:

ReasonablySober wrote:

JimmyTheKid wrote:

Again, insert "Suppan" for "Garza" and "mistakes" or "pitches" or "innings" or "hitters" or "outings" for "blips" and we've all seen this song and dance before. Just stop. Yes, Garza hasn't been as terrible this season as most of his time in Milwaukee. But he's still terrible and had no business starting last night's game.

I'm not blaming Counsell for Manny Pina's injury, that would be a giant stretch, but his decision to start Garza, with at least two superior options available, is gross negligence at best, and resulted in an injury to Manny Pina.

Again, they really are just a couple bad outings. He's had 13 starts with 3 or less ERs given up. You're arguing on the side of complete fiction.

Which part of my argument is "complete fiction?" That Brandon Woodruff is a superior option to Matt Garza in the middle of a playoff chase? Or that you can literally play that "except for a couple bad innings, pitches, outings, mistakes" with every sh*tty pitcher?

And sure, Garza has had "13 starts with 3 ER or less" but many of those he didn't even go 6 innings. Meaning they were sh*tty outings. And he's only had 6 Quality Starts this year. I just looked at the list of starters with more Quality Starts than Matt Garza. There are a sh*tton of sh*tty pitchers on that list.

For example, Derek Holland has 12 quality starts, twice the amount of Garza's 6, and owns a 6.05 ERA and 1.68 WHIP. I doubt there are too many White Sox fans out there saying "yeah, well, he has 17 starts with 3 ER or less, so, ya know, its only been a few bad outings."

Explain away the first 16 starts of this season with a 3.7 ERA and an opponent OPS of .700, sure.