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Brewers Offseason Discussion - Brett Lawrie is Back (Pg 36)
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:54 pm
by LUKE23
Didn't want to derail the Cardinals thread, so figured I'd start this one up.
Brewers outlook on offense is looking pretty damn good, assuming we don't have major fall off from anyone. Obviously, I don't expect a .973 OPS from Yelich again, but still, we are looking at every major bat being under control next year, outside of Moustakas, who is a mutual option. The big bats besides Braun are all under control until 2021 or 2022 (Shaw, Yelich, Cain, Aguilar). I'm guessing we see Hiura next year, but that's probably more likely if we lose Moustakas and Shaw shifts back to full-time 3B.
I think we could really use an upgrade at catcher. Whether that is Nottingham or someone outside the organization, who knows.
Rotation has seven guys to choose from IMO: Nelson, Anderson, Davies, Peralta, Burnes, Woodruff, Chacin. Who knows what Nelson will be next year. Woodruff and Burnes need to be legit.
Bullpen: Hader, Williams, Knebel, Jeffress form a pretty solid quartet.
In terms of the offseason, I think the primary goals are to turn Santana into trade value if you can, keep an eye out for another rotation piece, and upgrade catcher.
Re: Brewers Discussion: 2019 and Beyond
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:02 pm
by HaroldinGMinor
Schoop, while disappointing this year, is under team control next season too. Guessing Hiura starts in AAA and gets the bump at some point.
Re: Brewers Discussion: 2019 and Beyond
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:24 pm
by Kerb Hohl
HaroldinGMinor wrote:Schoop, while disappointing this year, is under team control next season too. Guessing Hiura starts in AAA and gets the bump at some point.
It's likely for $10 million so it'll be interesting.
I'm all for overpaying 1-year deals and I think Schoop is better than he's shown on the Brewers, but it'll depend on what their budget is.
Re: Brewers Discussion: 2019 and Beyond
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:41 pm
by MickeyDavis
I would trade for another MVP. Easy peasy
Re: Brewers Discussion: 2019 and Beyond
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:42 pm
by MickeyDavis
Kerb Hohl wrote:HaroldinGMinor wrote:Schoop, while disappointing this year, is under team control next season too. Guessing Hiura starts in AAA and gets the bump at some point.
It's likely for $10 million so it'll be interesting.
I'm all for overpaying 1-year deals and I think Schoop is better than he's shown on the Brewers, but it'll depend on what their budget is.
Yeah I would punt on Schoop for $10 million. I know it's "just" one year but I still wouldn't do it.
Re: Brewers Discussion: 2019 and Beyond
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:48 pm
by BUCKnation
Woodruff and Guerra have been very solid out of the pen since being put there. Much rather give them a spot for the bottom of the bullpen than Barnes or Albers, plus they can easily go 2-3 innings if need be.
Re: Brewers Discussion: 2019 and Beyond
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:55 pm
by MickeyDavis
Albers is signed for $2.5, they could eat that if that had to. Barnes doesnt get to ARB 1 until 2020. Junior will be ARB 1 next year, not sure what he might get. Woofruff isn't Arb1 until 2021.
Re: Brewers Discussion: 2019 and Beyond
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:05 pm
by HaroldinGMinor
I wonder if Stearns would consider trading Aguilar? He's already 28 and I'm guessing won't age so great given his body type. But he's cheap and under team control through 2022 I think. Some AL team might want him to play 1B and DH.
Although looking at 2019 FA's there doesn't appear to be anything worthwhile out there to replace him.
Re: Brewers Discussion: 2019 and Beyond
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:36 pm
by livestrong4ever
Hoping that sterns can find anther diamond in the rough SP and turn him into gold. But for real would love to get a true ace. Mark A you want this team to be in real contention for years to come, go get an Ace. Sounds like an easy problem?
Re: Brewers Discussion: 2019 and Beyond
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:57 pm
by MickeyDavis
HaroldinGMinor wrote:I wonder if Stearns would consider trading Aguilar? He's already 28 and I'm guessing won't age so great given his body type. But he's cheap and under team control through 2022 I think. Some AL team might want him to play 1B and DH.
Although looking at 12019 FA's there doesn't appear to be anything worthwhile out there to replace him.
Yup he doesn't even hit ARB1 until 2020, FA in 2023.
Re: Brewers Discussion: 2019 and Beyond
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:11 pm
by bizarro
MickeyDavis wrote:Kerb Hohl wrote:HaroldinGMinor wrote:Schoop, while disappointing this year, is under team control next season too. Guessing Hiura starts in AAA and gets the bump at some point.
It's likely for $10 million so it'll be interesting.
I'm all for overpaying 1-year deals and I think Schoop is better than he's shown on the Brewers, but it'll depend on what their budget is.
Yeah I would punt on Schoop for $10 million. I know it's "just" one year but I still wouldn't do it.
I obviously agree. What salary would I take Schoop on? Probably a tops of $5M.
Re: Brewers Discussion: 2019 and Beyond
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:15 pm
by Turk Nowitzki
Can we swap Schoop and Moustakas's contract situations. Nobody will notice that, right?
Re: Brewers Discussion: 2019 and Beyond
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:16 pm
by bizarro
BUCKnation wrote:Woodruff and Guerra have been very solid out of the pen since being put there. Much rather give them a spot for the bottom of the bullpen than Barnes or Albers, plus they can easily go 2-3 innings if need be.
Firmly agreed. The ship sailed on Barnes for me last year. Albers. Yuck. I actually think Woodruff in particular could be one of the more dynamic arms in the pen next year. He looks real real good right now. He had nasty stuff last night in St. Louis.
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Re: Brewers Discussion: 2019 and Beyond
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:17 pm
by bizarro
Turk Nowitzki wrote:Can we swap Schoop and Moustakas's contract situations. Nobody will notice that, right?
Man. That would be amazing.
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Re: Brewers Discussion: 2019 and Beyond
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:57 pm
by jakecronus8
Depending on what the return is, I could see trading Aguilar and keeping moustakas around. See if you can teach him first or play Shaw over there. Need to be blown away though with the offer. Premium starting arm or stud catcher could be worth it.
Schoop can go regardless. I just am not interested in guys that can't draw walks and strikeout at such an alarming rate. Arcia is the heartbeat of the team it appears. If he can get his hitting closer to his numbers in '17 he's a no brainer at short. I could see Hiura lighting up spring training and earning the 2B job.
Just for fun I want the Red Sox to dump Thornburg so we can do another reclamation project.
Re: Brewers Discussion: 2019 and Beyond
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:12 pm
by Kerb Hohl
Albers will get a shot in Spring Training and he'll probably be cut early in the season if he doesn't show signs of whatever he used to have in April.
Re: Brewers Discussion: 2019 and Beyond
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:17 pm
by Kerb Hohl
jakecronus8 wrote:Depending on what the return is, I could see trading Aguilar and keeping moustakas around. See if you can teach him first or play Shaw over there. Need to be blown away though with the offer. Premium starting arm or stud catcher could be worth it.
Schoop can go regardless. I just am not interested in guys that can't draw walks and strikeout at such an alarming rate. Arcia is the heartbeat of the team it appears. If he can get his hitting closer to his numbers in '17 he's a no brainer at short. I could see Hiura lighting up spring training and earning the 2B job.
Just for fun I want the Red Sox to dump Thornburg so we can do another reclamation project.
Moustakas may not stay around. It's a mutual option so if he wants to cash in on a longer deal, he's gone.
In that situation of trading Jesus we're looking for a RH 1B option. I know Braun can play there a bit but you're a Braun injury away from having nothing in that capacity. It's an easy/sporadic position to fill but also could be a major weakness.
Re: Brewers Discussion: 2019 and Beyond
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:24 pm
by WeekapaugGroove
Kerb Hohl wrote:Albers will get a shot in Spring Training and he'll probably be cut early in the season if he doesn't show signs of whatever he used to have in April.
If they think it's something physical then they probably keep him on the 40 man and give him a shot next spring. But if they think he's just lost it and need that spot it wouldn't shock me if they just cut their losses and move on.
Thames is probably gone this winter. Because aglular is cheap and under control he's penciled in at 1st with Braun as the fall back plan if he turns out to be a one year wonder. Schoop is a tough call, maybe they find a better use for that money but because he's basically a 1 year rental it does set up as a nice bridge to hiura so it's not out of the question they keep him. Moose is interesting in I wonder if they pick up their half of his opinion making him choose if he wants to take the 1 nice year or try to hit FA. If he would stay then schoop is gone.
Santana is an interesting case. Do you give him another shot as a starter or do you try to move him and hope he still has a little value.
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Re: Brewers Discussion: 2019 and Beyond
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:58 pm
by M-C-G
MickeyDavis wrote:I would trade for another MVP. Easy peasy
Throw whatever OTHER than Keston you can at Miami for Realmuto. Bring Moose back, see if you can bring Miley back and just keep a lock on his innings all season to try and keep him healthy.
Cain
Yelich
Realmuto
Moose
Aguilar
Shaw
Braun
Escobar
Re: Brewers Discussion: 2019 and Beyond
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:01 pm
by Kerb Hohl
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Kerb Hohl wrote:Albers will get a shot in Spring Training and he'll probably be cut early in the season if he doesn't show signs of whatever he used to have in April.
If they think it's something physical then they probably keep him on the 40 man and give him a shot next spring. But if they think he's just lost it and need that spot it wouldn't shock me if they just cut their losses and move on.
Thames is probably gone this winter. Because aglular is cheap and under control he's penciled in at 1st with Braun as the fall back plan if he turns out to be a one year wonder. Schoop is a tough call, maybe they find a better use for that money but because he's basically a 1 year rental it does set up as a nice bridge to hiura so it's not out of the question they keep him. Moose is interesting in I wonder if they pick up their half of his opinion making him choose if he wants to take the 1 nice year or try to hit FA. If he would stay then schoop is gone.
Santana is an interesting case. Do you give him another shot as a starter or do you try to move him and hope he still has a little value.
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They probably need to clear one guy out in the corner OF/IF logjam still, but are we sure Thames is gone?
It doesn't hurt to have a good hitter like that off the bench on a solid contract (1 year, $6 million with an option for 2020) that you can platoon with and also potentially use as your starting 1B if someone goes down.