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Re: 2019 Brewers Offseason Thread - Grisham/Davies to San Diego 

Post#261 » by Kerb Hohl » Mon Dec 2, 2019 7:49 pm

Bernman wrote:I'm getting Hader to commit to throwing a 2nd offspeed pitch for a year, namely that curveball which was nasty in the minors but at times he had trouble harnessing it, before seriously considering dealing him. Then he'd be an extra level of dominant as a reliever or could convert to being potentially an ace starter. Hard to give up on that. You'd have to pay much more in FA and we have a hard time developing difference making pitchers in the farm. I think the Brewers could end up really regretting this if they're serious.


Do you really think that the Brewers have not tried to have him work on a 3rd pitch or at least have explored how and if that would make him more effective?

Bernman wrote:Also a bad strategy to halfway re-stock because the Brewers are supposedly at the end of a run of relative success to some. The Brewers should eventually be full sellers. But until then have to commit to winning now. They've never really peaked. Were ahead of schedule, actually. They originally said it was a 5-year rebuild plan. They'd be partially rebuilding when they planned contendership would start.


I'm with you here. If they dealt Hader and Yelich tomorrow and said they were doing everything to be ready for a dominant team in 2022, I'd be on board. It would make no sense to me to trade Hader for future players and then not spend money on guys this year but keep Yelich and some of the other remaining vets. That would be building a 78 win team for no reason other than to save the owner some money.
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Re: 2019 Brewers Offseason Thread - Grisham/Davies to San Diego 

Post#262 » by trwi7 » Mon Dec 2, 2019 8:18 pm

We should make all of our relievers learn a 3rd pitch so they could all be starters imo.
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Re: 2019 Brewers Offseason Thread - Grisham/Davies to San Diego 

Post#263 » by Bernman » Mon Dec 2, 2019 8:33 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:Do you really think that the Brewers have not tried to have him work on a 3rd pitch or at least have explored how and if that would make him more effective?


He hasn't even really consistently thrown a 2nd pitch. He's got to be 80+% fastballs each full ML season. There was an uptick on that slider for a period, before he pounded away w/ the fb again. And the change or curve complements those high fastballs much better than a slider.

I don't think they maximize the ability of every player just because they are a professional organization. It's relative other orgs overall and on individual players. They seem to do a great job of hiding initial weaknesses, but not necessarily expanding upon strengths over time if they're potentially there.

They contracted Hader from what he was in the minors, when he was very effective over short starts (outside a bandbox), displaying much more of an arsenal than he has in the majors. He threw the curve and change in the minors. Might have just decided after paring down his repertoire when converting to a reliever to play to his biggest strengths that if it ain't broke don't fix it. It's got a couple chips in it now though w/ the league catching up a bit. So I think it's time to commit to somewhat of a new strategy with him.
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Re: 2019 Brewers Offseason Thread - Grisham/Davies to San Diego 

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Re: 2019 Brewers Offseason Thread - Grisham/Davies to San Diego 

Post#265 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Dec 2, 2019 8:37 pm

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Re: 2019 Brewers Offseason Thread - Grisham/Davies to San Diego 

Post#266 » by JimmyTheKid » Mon Dec 2, 2019 8:45 pm

4/64

I may be in the minority but I'm more than fine not paying that for Moose.
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Post#267 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Dec 2, 2019 8:46 pm

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Moose did well for himself on this deal.

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Re: 2019 Brewers Offseason Thread - Moose to the Reds 

Post#268 » by MickeyDavis » Mon Dec 2, 2019 8:49 pm

No catcher, 1B or 3B (Pineapple and Shaw don't count)
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Re: 2019 Brewers Offseason Thread - Moose to the Reds 

Post#269 » by Kerb Hohl » Mon Dec 2, 2019 8:54 pm

So Hiura to 3B is confirmed now, right? :-D
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Re: 2019 Brewers Offseason Thread - Moose to the Reds 

Post#270 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Dec 2, 2019 8:55 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:No catcher, 1B or 3B (Pineapple and Shaw don't count)


Seems bad.
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Re: 2019 Brewers Offseason Thread - Moose to the Reds 

Post#271 » by JimmyTheKid » Mon Dec 2, 2019 8:55 pm

Much rather have Grandal on his current deal than Moose on his but I don't blame Stearns for passing on both. Lets wait to see how this offseason shakes out.
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Re: 2019 Brewers Offseason Thread - Moose to the Reds 

Post#272 » by kid idioteque » Mon Dec 2, 2019 8:55 pm

It would've cost over ONE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS to keep Moose and Pomeranz. No thanks!

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Re: 2019 Brewers Offseason Thread - Moose to the Reds 

Post#273 » by neiLz » Mon Dec 2, 2019 8:57 pm

Stearns has to be making a trade. They have huge holes. Kind of sucks they let thames go.
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Re: 2019 Brewers Offseason Thread - Moose to the Reds 

Post#274 » by kid idioteque » Mon Dec 2, 2019 8:57 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:No catcher, 1B or 3B (Pineapple and Shaw don't count)


Pina is absolutely the opening day catcher. They have much bigger problems.
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Re: 2019 Brewers Offseason Thread - Moose to the Reds 

Post#275 » by kid idioteque » Mon Dec 2, 2019 8:57 pm

neiLz wrote:Stearns has to be making a trade. They have huge holes. Kind of sucks they let thames go.


He could still return.
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Re: 2019 Brewers Offseason Thread - Moose to the Reds 

Post#276 » by Turk Nowitzki » Mon Dec 2, 2019 8:58 pm

Honestly, good for Moose and Grandal. They both bet on themselves, Moose did it two years in a row, and it paid off for both of them. Can't be mad at them for chasing the money. Stearns has some serious work to do now.
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Re: 2019 Brewers Offseason Thread - Moose to the Reds 

Post#277 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Dec 2, 2019 9:03 pm

One small silver lining is it's better to lose them early in FA when you have more time to make alternative plans for your money.

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Re: 2019 Brewers Offseason Thread - Moose to the Reds 

Post#278 » by Kerb Hohl » Mon Dec 2, 2019 9:05 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:No catcher, 1B or 3B (Pineapple and Shaw don't count)


Seems bad.


It's also early December, though the free agent market at the positions of need are dwindling.
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Re: 2019 Brewers Offseason Thread - Moose to the Reds 

Post#279 » by humanrefutation » Mon Dec 2, 2019 9:11 pm

Bummer. I thought he was most likely to re-sign.
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Re: 2019 Brewers Offseason Thread - Moose to the Reds 

Post#280 » by Turk Nowitzki » Mon Dec 2, 2019 9:17 pm

Definitely a notable shift in the FA market when Moose is getting 4/64 after settling for back to back one year deals that barely added up to more than his AAV on this contract.

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