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I can't believe the hitting coach remained after last season. This is reminiscent of hanging on to Pettine even though it's clear he's a problem.

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At a spring training game a couple years back he ripped a fart that I could hear from the stands and sent the pitchers scurrying away.

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leroyjw10 wrote:

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I can't believe the hitting coach remained after last season. This is reminiscent of hanging on to Pettine even though it's clear he's a problem.

There is something that stinks about the way we have been cycling through coaching staff the last two seasons. For having a likable Manager and GM, and we've been pretty good, sure are losing a lot of guys.

Not sure if we are just cheap or there is more friction behind the scenes we don't know about

Williams wins ROY. That rules.

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WTF?

I think most teams are going to be very cheap this offseason. I'm sure it's going to make them look cheap and might very well cost them, but I'm assuming this is their justification that they can try to get him or a similar caliber player cheaper.

Yeah, not a real surprise, owners probably lost quite a bit last year, and now this year too many unknowns. Might be a lot of FA this offseason sitting around right up until before the next season starts up.

but Gyorko is one of the few hitters who produced this season. $4.5 million isn't excessive.

ReasonablySober wrote:Williams wins ROY. That rules.

First pitcher without a win or a save to win the award.

DrWood wrote:

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I think most teams are going to be very cheap this offseason. I'm sure it's going to make them look cheap and might very well cost them, but I'm assuming this is their justification that they can try to get him or a similar caliber player cheaper.

Yeah, not a real surprise, owners probably lost quite a bit last year, and now this year too many unknowns. Might be a lot of FA this offseason sitting around right up until before the next season starts up.

but Gyorko is one of the few hitters who produced this season. $4.5 million isn't excessive.

We've seen in all of these guys' careers that they are all very up-and-down and in theory replaceable. That's the reason that Gyorko was available for cheap (by pre-2020 season standards). He was terrible in 60 games in 2019 and so-so in 2018 after being a solid/good hitter for most of the years before that.

So I guess management's idea, while not to defend them because they're being cheap but also to defend them based on that...they could easily be overpaying him based on a hot 60 games last year. What if they get 2019 Gyorko?

I mean I would think they can/should just pay him, but I guess the idea would be that they can just find someone under-the-radar like Gyorko was for cheaper. If they have a gaping hole there, of course they can/should be flamed for it.

DrWood wrote:

M-C-G wrote:

Kerb Hohl wrote:
I think most teams are going to be very cheap this offseason. I'm sure it's going to make them look cheap and might very well cost them, but I'm assuming this is their justification that they can try to get him or a similar caliber player cheaper.

Yeah, not a real surprise, owners probably lost quite a bit last year, and now this year too many unknowns. Might be a lot of FA this offseason sitting around right up until before the next season starts up.

but Gyorko is one of the few hitters who produced this season. $4.5 million isn't excessive.

My guess is that if you want him back, you can get him for half that price. My larger thought is that it will be a 'buyers' market and you are going to see a ton of quality FA taking one year deals for well below market value (pre Covid market).

I might be wrong, just my guess.

Kerb Hohl wrote:

DrWood wrote:

M-C-G wrote:
Yeah, not a real surprise, owners probably lost quite a bit last year, and now this year too many unknowns. Might be a lot of FA this offseason sitting around right up until before the next season starts up.

but Gyorko is one of the few hitters who produced this season. $4.5 million isn't excessive.

We've seen in all of these guys' careers that they are all very up-and-down and in theory replaceable. That's the reason that Gyorko was available for cheap (by pre-2020 season standards). He was terrible in 60 games in 2019 and so-so in 2018 after being a solid/good hitter for most of the years before that.

So I guess management's idea, while not to defend them because they're being cheap but also to defend them based on that...they could easily be overpaying him based on a hot 60 games last year. What if they get 2019 Gyorko?

I mean I would think they can/should just pay him, but I guess the idea would be that they can just find someone under-the-radar like Gyorko was for cheaper. If they have a gaping hole there, of course they can/should be flamed for it.

How much cheaper can they get for a guy who hit fine and has positional flexibility?

DrWood wrote:

Kerb Hohl wrote:

DrWood wrote:but Gyorko is one of the few hitters who produced this season. $4.5 million isn't excessive.

We've seen in all of these guys' careers that they are all very up-and-down and in theory replaceable. That's the reason that Gyorko was available for cheap (by pre-2020 season standards). He was terrible in 60 games in 2019 and so-so in 2018 after being a solid/good hitter for most of the years before that.

So I guess management's idea, while not to defend them because they're being cheap but also to defend them based on that...they could easily be overpaying him based on a hot 60 games last year. What if they get 2019 Gyorko?

I mean I would think they can/should just pay him, but I guess the idea would be that they can just find someone under-the-radar like Gyorko was for cheaper. If they have a gaping hole there, of course they can/should be flamed for it.

How much cheaper can they get for a guy who hit fine and has positional flexibility?

If all of the owners are colluding (and do have somewhat of a gripe of lost revenue, though of course they can afford to eat said loss), I bet a guy like Gyorko goes for $2 or $3 million next year.

Kerb Hohl wrote:

DrWood wrote:

Kerb Hohl wrote:
We've seen in all of these guys' careers that they are all very up-and-down and in theory replaceable. That's the reason that Gyorko was available for cheap (by pre-2020 season standards). He was terrible in 60 games in 2019 and so-so in 2018 after being a solid/good hitter for most of the years before that.

So I guess management's idea, while not to defend them because they're being cheap but also to defend them based on that...they could easily be overpaying him based on a hot 60 games last year. What if they get 2019 Gyorko?

I mean I would think they can/should just pay him, but I guess the idea would be that they can just find someone under-the-radar like Gyorko was for cheaper. If they have a gaping hole there, of course they can/should be flamed for it.

How much cheaper can they get for a guy who hit fine and has positional flexibility?

If all of the owners are colluding (and do have somewhat of a gripe of lost revenue, though of course they can afford to eat said loss), I bet a guy like Gyorko goes for $2 or $3 million next year.

Or someone even better is available at 4.5M dollar slot? Also not sure what to make of Vogelnuts, and what they want to do with him.

Rule 5 draft. We have 36 on our 40 man. Will Sammon has an article in the Athletic that I can't post about who we may protect and Mario Feliciano leads the list.

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I can't believe the hitting coach remained after last season. This is reminiscent of hanging on to Pettine even though it's clear he's a problem.

Really? Dear God...

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At a spring training game a couple years back he ripped a fart that I could hear from the stands and sent the pitchers scurrying away.

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ReasonablySober wrote:

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Thanks Robert. No arbitration deals are guaranteed. Great reporting. Top notch stuff.

Knebel traded to the Dodgers for a PTBNL or cash. I will now scream into the void.