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Carlos trade revisited

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:53 pm
by Ayt
Many people hated the Lee trade when it happened last year. I was a huge defender of Cordero, arguing that he'd been a top 5 closer for three years and simply had one bad month. Mench? He looked wretched last year so I wasn't happy about him.

If you look at the trade now, we made out extremely well. Cordero was dominant last year. This year, he hasn't given up a run and leads the majors in SV's. Mench is killing lefties (like he has his entire career) and the Menchkins platoon has been ridiculously productive. Up to now, the two have combined in LF to produce these numbers (only Mench's LF numbers are used):

.387 BA
.417 OBP
.634 SLG
.1051 OPS (Elite, only 4 guys did better than that last year)
5 HR
8 2B
17 RBI

Those two in LF could easily outproduce Carlos for the season.

Nelson Cruz has looked terrible in the majors and may be nothing more than a AAAA player. Carlos said that this was the first time he was a FA and that he really wanted to test the market, so there was really no way he was coming back.

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:11 pm
by WEFFPIM
I think it's very clear now that in terms of the trade itself, the Brewers won. All the Rangers have is Cruz, and he's been terrible. Meanwhile, Mench is producing very well and Cordero's been fantastic.

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:36 pm
by crkone
Hopefully Nix can rebound and be decent trade bait in the future. He has always had his ups and downs.

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:40 pm
by Ayt
I forgot about Nix and that other A ball pitcher we got. Its really looking like Nix will never amount to anything.

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:15 pm
by mnstinks
I was just bringing this up to someone who ripped the Brewers last year.

No way could we or should we have paid Lee.

And looky, he left Texas too, (in hindsight).

We got a dominant closer and a key outfielder too.

And, saved $$$.

Very good trade.

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:24 pm
by SugarRay34
Man last year I was wondering if Melvin still knew what he was doing. I hated this trade but ill be honest now and say Melvin pulled out another one. Cordero is a Top 5 closer in the MLB and has been dominant so far this year 10 for 10. Mench has shown it just taken some time to adjust. Hes hitting the ball a lot better this year. We had no chance at bringing back Lee either. Two thumbs up on this one

Posted: Tue May 1, 2007 12:11 am
by brewcityboii
2005-Brewers trade Scott Posednick for carlos lee to the White Sox (not sure what else was involved) That year Whitesox win the World Series.

Now lets just hope Carlos Lee has that special Karma that every team he leaves becomes a Champion!! :clap: :nod: :D

Posted: Tue May 1, 2007 2:49 am
by bucksbrewerspackersfan
I miss Carlos but for the good of the team we got a steal so far. Let's just hope it continues.

Posted: Tue May 1, 2007 3:24 am
by Fort Minor
I personally never thought it was a horrible deal...just thought we could've got something better.

No qualms from me now, though.

Posted: Tue May 1, 2007 8:37 pm
by livestrong4ever
When we first did this trade, my friend a royals fan, was giving so much **** to me saying we gave him away for nothing.

I said to him, trust me our GM is a god.

So far, it looks like we got the better end of the deal which no body thought was possible when we talked about trading Carlos Lee.

Posted: Tue May 1, 2007 9:32 pm
by trwi7
neverstoppers23 wrote:When we first did this trade, my friend a royals fan, was giving so much **** to me saying we gave him away for nothing.

I said to him, trust me our GM is a god.

So far, it looks like we got the better end of the deal which no body thought was possible when we talked about trading Carlos Lee.


You should laugh at your friend for being a Royals fan.

Posted: Tue May 1, 2007 11:35 pm
by WEFFPIM
^I was going to post that

Posted: Wed May 2, 2007 2:57 am
by Buck You
Another steal by Doug Melvin. He is a mastermind and is fooling teams more than Cordero's slider.

Posted: Wed May 2, 2007 3:00 am
by paulpressey25
The trade itself wasn't a bad deal....and is really looking good right now.

The bigger issue was the fact that we had yet another slugger (Greg Vaughn, Burnitz, Sexson) that we were forced to deal because we couldn't afford his contract demands under baseball's economic system. It was just another kick to the head for Brewers fans, that we couldn't write the checks to compete as easily as the big markets.....and it hurt bad.

Melvin is a great GM though with his limited resources.....

Posted: Wed May 2, 2007 3:21 am
by Thunder Muscle
I'm pumped I just saw a Greg friggin Vaughn reference! VAUGHN'S VALLEY BABY!

Posted: Wed May 2, 2007 3:25 am
by Siefer
paulpressey25 wrote:The trade itself wasn't a bad deal....and is really looking good right now.

The bigger issue was the fact that we had yet another slugger (Greg Vaughn, Burnitz, Sexson) that we were forced to deal because we couldn't afford his contract demands under baseball's economic system. It was just another kick to the head for Brewers fans, that we couldn't write the checks to compete as easily as the big markets.....and it hurt bad.

Melvin is a great GM though with his limited resources.....


Each of those three guys has come to talk at my school at some point. Interesting...

Re: Carlos trade revisited

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:55 pm
by Thunder Muscle
Wouldn't mind Nelson Cruz in RF now.

Mench was a horrible flop.

Nix never developed.

Cordero was solid but then bolted w/o compensation and was not part of any playoff team here either. So eh...

Carlos had some good years after this deal and should've netted more at the time AND the fact Doug gave up a future all-star and current stud Nelson Cruz makes this look not so hot.

Rangers win.

Re: Carlos trade revisited

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 11:15 pm
by dedned
Yeah. Melvin has a bad record when it comes to trades. That's why I'm afraid of him trading Fielder.

Re: Carlos trade revisited

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 11:26 pm
by Captain Erv
Let's not ride a dead horse here, yeah, we didn't get much for value, and yeah, Melvin does in fact suck at trades. However, thank god we didn't re-sign that cow, he is becoming a growing liability by the minute and has an albatross of a contract to boot.

Re: Carlos trade revisited

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:28 pm
by Thunder Muscle
Captain Erv wrote:Let's not ride a dead horse here, yeah, we didn't get much for value, and yeah, Melvin does in fact suck at trades. However, thank god we didn't re-sign that cow, he is becoming a growing liability by the minute and has an albatross of a contract to boot.


I don't think re-signing Carlos was ever the question, but maximizing his return value is/was. Lee was a huge asset at the time and Melvin really didn't turn it into anything long-term. Richie Sexson was a huge asset at one time and really only have Dave Bush (via Lyle Overbay) and Chris Capuano to show for it. The other guys: Chad Moeller, Jorge de la Rosa, Junior Spivey, and Craig Counsell (who left and cameback) didn't do much in Brewers uniform and didn't net anything in return. Dan Kolb had some value as a closer a few years back and it turned into Jose Capellan who flopped.