Some reasons to worry about the Brewers-Solutions?

deep throat · Post #1 » by **deep throat** » Sun May 20, 2007 6:54 pm

The problem I see with the Brewers is Yost stays with things too long when they aren't working. It's nice to be a player's Coach, but it's not always wise.

They need to move Gwynn to Center and move Billy to Right or Left. They also have to bring up Braun to replace the week hitting duo of Counsell and Graffanino. If Braun struggles with his defense then move him to the outfield (and put Hall back at 3rd). I also would call up pitching sensation Yovani Gallardo.

Think of this -

Gwynn-deserves a chance/best Center fielder on team
Weeks
JJ
Prince
Jenkins/Mench
Hall
Braun
Estrada
Pitcher

trwi7 · Post #2 » by **trwi7** » Sun May 20, 2007 7:00 pm

deep throat wrote:The problem I see with the Brewers is Yost stays with things too long when they aren't working. It's nice to be a player's Coach, but it's not always wise.

They need to move Gwynn to Center and move Billy to Right or Left. They also have to bring up Braun to replace the week hitting duo of Counsell and Graffanino. If Braun struggles with his defense then move him to the outfield (and put Hall back at 3rd). I also would call up pitching sensation Yovani Gallardo.

Think of this -

Gwynn-deserves a chance/best Center fielder on team
Weeks
JJ
Prince
Jenkins/Mench
Hall
Braun
Estrada
Pitcher

Hart deserves a chance to start before Gwynn.

deep throat · Post #3 » by **deep throat** » Sun May 20, 2007 7:04 pm

trwi7 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Hart deserves a chance to start before Gwynn.

Don't have a problem with Hart-thought of that, but they need a CF more. Gwynn is a natural CF. You could put Hart in LF or RF, but again they need to relieve Hall.

trwi7 · Post #4 » by **trwi7** » Sun May 20, 2007 7:17 pm

deep throat wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Don't have a problem with Hart-thought of that, but they need a CF more. Gwynn is a natural CF. You could put Hart in LF or RF, but again they need to relieve Hall.

Honestly this team was poorly constructed by Melvin. You have outfielders that wanted playing time in Jenkins and Mench and Yost wants to appease them so they don't get pissed so there's no room for guys like Hart, Gross and Gwynn. Then Hall moves to CF when it's obvious we have a black hole at 3B. It's just disgusting.

deep throat · Post #5 » by **deep throat** » Sun May 20, 2007 7:51 pm

trwi7 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Then Hall moves to CF when it's obvious we have a black hole at 3B. It's just disgusting.

Melvin hasn't hit on everything, but he's made some really good moves.

I don't quite understand the situation at 3rd. Hall played well there, and Gwynn is a natural CF and a better lead off guy then Weeks (because he has more speed and is very good bunting). I really see the problem being Yost and his slow to move conservative style.

I love the Crew and couldn't be happier for their early success. Let's keep it going, we've waited TOO long.

Ayt · Post #6 » by **Ayt** » Sun May 20, 2007 9:01 pm

The 3B situation right now makes me want to barf. They better not think letting the two puke bags playing there are adequate for the full season.

goirish2107 · Post #7 » by **goirish2107** » Sun May 20, 2007 10:18 pm

i think its just obvious for one how much rickie helped the offense, and two how quickly he needs to get back so those two don't hit together, uh i mean play in the same game ever (same team?). tonight we were lucky with jenks, miller graff and couns gave us two outs in a row so much. anyone else see the stat about how many of our hits have come with two outs? hard to do anything with that

goirish2107 · Post #8 » by **goirish2107** » Sun May 20, 2007 10:39 pm

btw, the crew didn't win 27 till june last year

worthlessBucks · Post #9 » by **worthlessBucks** » Sun May 20, 2007 10:45 pm

trwi7 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Honestly this team was poorly constructed by Melvin. You have outfielders that wanted playing time in Jenkins and Mench and Yost wants to appease them so they don't get pissed so there's no room for guys like Hart, Gross and Gwynn. Then Hall moves to CF when it's obvious we have a black hole at 3B. It's just disgusting.

That's what bothers me about Yost and Melvin, they're both too stubborn to admit anything is wrong until late July & by that time, who knows what position the team is in.

Ill-yasova · Post #10 » by **Ill-yasova** » Mon May 21, 2007 12:54 am

Braun just started playing again last night. He needs at least another week to play himself back to where he was.

Post #11 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon May 21, 2007 2:17 am

The rumor around town is that Braun will be up in "a week to 10 days". Which would make sense as he just came back. He went 0-4 today.

He certainly may struggle (as did Hardy big time), but we HAVE to try to get some production out of the 3B spot.

goirish2107 · Post #12 » by **goirish2107** » Mon May 21, 2007 3:11 am

MFScho wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

That's what bothers me about Yost and Melvin, they're both too stubborn to admit anything is wrong until late July & by that time, who knows what position the team is in.

i find it hard to believe that this year melvin and yost are going to stay satisfied with graff and couns. i see no reason to worry yet, and i also think this was a good amount of time to give it a try (~100 AB's each), but i would say that its about getting to the time where we know if they are going to keep working, and well they aren't.

Comet · Post #13 » by **Comet** » Mon May 21, 2007 3:23 am

deep throat wrote:The problem I see with the Brewers is Yost stays with things too long when they aren't working. It's nice to be a player's Coach, but it's not always wise.

They need to move Gwynn to Center and move Billy to Right or Left. They also have to bring up Braun to replace the week hitting duo of Counsell and Graffanino. If Braun struggles with his defense then move him to the outfield (and put Hall back at 3rd). I also would call up pitching sensation Yovani Gallardo.

Think of this -

Gwynn-deserves a chance/best Center fielder on team
Weeks
JJ
Prince
Jenkins/Mench
Hall
Braun
Estrada
Pitcher

I agree, mostly. Here's my proposal:

Trade Mench. Start Gwynn everyday in right. Have Corey Hart platoon with Jenkins in left. In the off-season, have Hall work-out in left, let Jenkins walk into free agency, start Gwynn in center, and put Hart back in right everyday.

Reasons? Gwynn has a .429 OBP, a .360 AVG, and 5 steals in 50 AB's. Hart has been hitting .286 against lefties, and .238 against righties.

As you all know, Jenkins has been killer. He has 9 homers and a .310 AVG. Yet he still doesn't deserve to start everyday (.167 AVG against lefties, .348 AVG against righties).

My lineup:

Gwynn
Weeks
Fielder
Hall
Hardy
Braun
Estrada
Jenkins/Hart
SP

I'm drooling!!! :love:

trwi7 · Post #14 » by **trwi7** » Mon May 21, 2007 4:50 am

Why would you move Hardy from the 2 spot when he's producing so well? Plus I don't want Weeks whiffing 100+ times from the 2 spot.

WEFFPIM · Post #15 » by **WEFFPIM** » Mon May 21, 2007 5:02 am

trwi7 wrote:Why would you move Hardy from the 2 spot when he's producing so well? Plus I don't want Weeks whiffing 100+ times from the 2 spot.

The only place I'd move Hardy is to 3rd, but there'd have to be a logical condidate for the 2 hole first (Graffanino is a prototypical 2 hole hitter when he's not sucking).

afroblackarican · Post #16 » by **afroblackarican** » Mon May 21, 2007 12:22 pm

Jenkins and Gwynn need lots of PT but so does Hart. Let Hart platoon around the 2 corner lefties, call up Braun and ship Graffy and Mench elsewhere.

Gywnn/Hart
Hardy
Weeks
Fielder
Hall
Jenkins/Hart
Estrada
Braun

I also love how everyone is on this Tony Gwynn bandwagon, nobody agreed with me when i said he should play more earlier this year.

deep throat · Post #17 » by **deep throat** » Mon May 21, 2007 1:33 pm

Looks like pretty much everyone is on board with a couple of issues.

They NEED to bring up Braun-NO one seems to argue that Braun can hit big league ball. They were worried about his defense, but he has played solid defense. I think they would like to see him get more at bats-"play it safe-conservtive" -The problem is they can't continue to have .200 hitters with no power platooning at 3rd. Braun could not be worse (+has power). They could also use him in spot duty for a while. It's not like they have to throw him in there as an everyday guy from day 1.

There has been some talk that bringing up Braun now (or in 2 weeks) will cost them something like $9 mill. I just heard this on the radio, I am not very knowedgeable on this rule or how that works, just relaying what I heard.

They need to move Gwynn to CF, I don't understand the clubs belief he can't be a every day guy (seems to be the thought and what you here from the Brewer beat writers). If he starts to struggle move him down in the order, unlike Graf and Craigy he gives you elite speed and a guy that will be able to get some hits with his legs. He has the ability to be close to a Hunter (Twins) defensively.

goirish2107 · Post #18 » by **goirish2107** » Mon May 21, 2007 4:25 pm

someone needs to tell the brewers that having a platoon of 2 guys at .200 doesn't mean that third base is hitting .400

deep throat · Post #19 » by **deep throat** » Mon May 21, 2007 10:52 pm

goirish2107 wrote:someone needs to tell the brewers that having a platoon of 2 guys at .200 doesn't mean that third base is hitting .400

deep throat · Post #20 » by **deep throat** » Thu May 24, 2007 5:34 pm

My post is beginning to look more prophetic as each game passes by, Ned is stubborn and going to be the players Coach that Bobby (1 win is the Series) Cox taught him to be.

You can see his frustration in the dugout. he knows they are in some rouble, but he will stick to his guns (dumb A$$). Don't espect Braun any time soon, more of the dynamic duds (Graf/Consell), sticking with pitchers too long, not calling up his stud pitcher, leaving Hall in the cleanup, etc.

He is just not a top level Coach. Another hire that was done where they went out and got an old Brewer. The Selig's loved doing that. That's just one of the reasons they were awful owners for decades. The talent is there, that there is no doub. You have to have a skipper that is willing to be agresive though.