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According to this link
he'll be going there soon after complaining of back pain as a result of the most recent **** performance. where does that leave us? he had to get out of the rotation as well, but boy oh boy its one thing after another with this bunch

Means Manny Parra would be bumped into the rotation hopefully, or Villanueva comes back from Nashville and goes into the rotation. Either way, it won't matter.

Well that's a convenient way for Ned to make a change.

MickeyDavis wrote:Well that's a convenient way for Ned to make a change.

That'd be pretty much the only way. But stay tuned on Tuesday for lineup #159

goirish2107 wrote:According to this link
he'll be going there soon after complaining of back pain as a result of the most recent **** performance. where does that leave us? he had to get out of the rotation as well, but boy oh boy its one thing after another with this bunch

I never really thought about it before reading one of the comments in that link, but what happens next season with Capuano?

I guess I had come to accept the fact that perhaps Capuano never makes it back into the rotation this season, but what about next season?

GrandAdmiralDan wrote:I guess I had come to accept the fact that perhaps Capuano never makes it back into the rotation this season, but what about next season?

I would think he'd have to work his way into the rotation in Spring Training

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I would think he'd have to work his way into the rotation in Spring Training

i agree...i think that only sheets and soup have 'secure' spots next season, with gallardo probably right there as well, but the rest are gonna have to earn it, yogo as well most likely.

goirish2107 wrote:i agree...i think that only sheets and soup have 'secure' spots next season, with gallardo probably right there as well, but the rest are gonna have to earn it, yogo as well most likely.

I would think Dave Bush would be rather close to a lock. I mean, the guy has pitched rather well this season, it's the one big inning that everyone focuses on (and deservedly so, don't get me wrong). But he hasn't ever really done anything to pitch himself out of a job.

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I would think Dave Bush would be rather close to a lock. I mean, the guy has pitched rather well this season, it's the one big inning that everyone focuses on (and deservedly so, don't get me wrong). But he hasn't ever really done anything to pitch himself out of a job.

i agree that he's probably 'in' as opposed to 'out', or whatever, but it could easily end up being sheets soup cappy yogo and parra, or vargas, or someone else if management isn't happy with the way the staff performed this year.

Well this would explain why he sucks except he sucks when he's healthy too.

Honestly the first thing I thought of when I first saw this was this was more of an "Elmer Dessens sore back" than a legitimate sore back.

trwi7 wrote:Well this would explain why he sucks except he sucks when he's healthy too.

I can't say I'm disappointed.

Vargas has been the second best pitcher on this team this year like it or not. He has gotten us ten wins. Doesn't matter how he has done it. Really not sure about Manny Parra but it better not be Cappuano coming back into the roation if he does go down or have to miss a start.

livestrong4ever wrote:Vargas has been the second best pitcher on this team this year like it or not.

Sheets, Suppan, Gallardo and Bush have all been better than Vargas.

He has gotten us ten wins.

No the offense in Vargas' starts have gotten him 10 wins. Find me another pitcher with an ERA over 5 that has at least 15 decisions that has won two-thirds of their games.

Doesn't matter how he has done it.

Actually yeah it does. If he does it ineffectively by allowing a ton of baserunners and going with high pitch counts that doesn't allow him to go deep into games which then taxes the bullpen then it does matter how it's done.

Really not sure about Manny Parra but it better not be Cappuano coming back into the roation if he does go down or have to miss a start.

If there was ever a chance that Capuano would get another start it would be against the Cubs. He has owned them and the Cubs don't play well against lefties for whatever reason. Not saying I want him to start since this series is too important for a struggling pitcher to redeem himself. But if there was ever a chance for him this would be it.

His ERA is over 5 now because of the bad start he just had. And maybe you care how he has gotten it done or why the offense has been good when he has pitched I dont. For whatever reason he gets us wins and thats all that matters for me. He keeps us in games. Thats what matters.

livestrong4ever wrote:His ERA is over 5 now because of the bad start he just had.

Yeah and? Should that start count any less?

And maybe you care how he has gotten it done or why the offense has been good when he has pitched I dont.

I do. I want good pitchers not lucky pitchers that get a great deal of run support that makes them look better than they really are.

For whatever reason he gets us wins and thats all that matters for me. He keeps us in games. Thats what matters.

I'm pretty sure any of our pitchers could keep us in games if they got 5.78 runs on average like Vargas has this year.

Compare that with our other starting pitchers with at least 10 starts.

Vargas- 5.78 runs of support
Sheets- 5.37 runs of support
Suppan- 4.89 runs of support
Gallardo- 4.82 runs of support
Bush- 4.33 runs of support
Capuano- 3.70 runs of support

I don't care how it pads vargas numbers or how it makes him look. He gets us wins. It could be any pitcher it really doesnt matter to me he gets run support for whatever reason I really dont care that it might not be him getting the run supportor that he hasnt to do with it but everytime he pitches the offense gets it going. Players just might be more confident knowing they have success for whatever reason when he pitches. I know I am prolly saying the samething over and over agian but I dont care how he gets it done or why he gets it done or if has anything to do with him at all when he pitches we win thats what matters to me.

livestrong4ever wrote:His ERA is over 5 now because of the bad start he just had.

nope...that accounted for ONE inning in his season thus far--sure it was a lot of runs in that one inning, but due to its brevity, the start had a fairly insignifanct role in his ERA. Just b/c his game ERA was probably around 45.0, that figure has very little influence in his bottom line. Think about it-what's weighted more: 1 inning of 5 runs or 30 innings of 145 runs? The reason Vargas has a 5.0+ era is a result of his 10 + starts where he did not get thru 6 innings and gave up 4 runs.

Gotta look past the victories livestrong, they don't come anywhere close to telling the story. If you did, then you'd come to the conclusion that Vargas has been as good of a pitcher this year that Ben Sheets has been throughout his entire career.

If I weren't terrified of Cappy's confidence issues, I'd throw him out there for Vargas in a heartbeat. As it stands, maybe it's best to have Cappy pitch 4-5 innings and then Parra pitch 2-3. God knows Cappy will blow up if he even makes it to the 6th....

he had a 4.7 ERA before the last start now its 5.13 or whatever it doesn't matter now. anyways.

livestrong4ever wrote:he had a 4.7 ERA before the last start now its 5.13 or whatever it doesn't matter now. anyways.

Which tells me he wasn't good even before his last start.