Is the season over?

[Wrighteous]

We're 2 games under .500 and 5.5 back of the Marlins. The Marlins are going to fade eventually, so we should focus on the Braves and Phillies, who are ahead by 3 games. My optimistic self says that we have plenty of time to turn this thing around, with 3/4 of a season left to play. But my pessimistic self says this gutless group of guys have no chance to recover.

What are your thoughts?

[Flash3]

Last year people had no explanation for why the D-Backs were good, they weren't great in pitching nor hitting, though their pitching was damn good.

What makes you think the Marlins are going to "fade" and the Mets won't, for this matter we're speaking about?

The Mets have still yet to show their true team, and the team they were 2 seasons ago when they were in the post-season. The Mets we've been seeing the past season and a half, are a dissapointment in more ways than 1. Whether it is management, or ownership is another question.

But, the Marlins fading? -- They weren't supposed to be good for more than the 1st 2 weeks of the season, yet their STILL in 1st. They must be good, or as Dan Uggla once said, it's better to be stupid in this game than to realize what you're doing.

Thoughts?

[yaomac11-1]

Right now the 1st place Marlins have a Franchise on the rise like the Rays and A's. The mets on the other hand have some old falling stars that need to be moved. Delgado showed some pop this weekend, but it was at coors field one of the easier places to hit a HR. Alou is good, but cant stay healthy for more than a month. Then there's Castillo who i thought was gonna turn things around w/ his lil 8 game hit streak, but he was bad again yest. Lastly, there's the bench which is ok, but not great. Tatis, Chavez, and Castro are pretty solid(+pagan when he gets back.)

How salvage the mets season??

My plan would be to see how Evans does on 1st and if his hitting keeps up, Trade Delgado to Toronto where he could just play DH and get some minor guys in reurn. Then trade Alou, Wise, and Casanova to the Tigers for 1B/OF M. Thames. Send Marlon down to the minors(if possible). Waive or Trade Damion Easley. Lastly, call up Carlos Muniz and the Pink Panther Valentin.

Lineup

Reyes SS
Castillo/Valentin 2B
Wright 3B
Beltran CF
Church RF
Pagan/Thames LF
Evans/Thames 1B
Schneider C

Bench
Castro
Tatis
Chavez

SP
Santana- Should go on a tear after the All-Star Break
Pedro- Expect to stay Healthy and get anywhere from 8-10 wins
Maine- Our other Ace should keep his game up for another 15 or more win season
Oliver- should end up having the same season as last yrs
Pelfrey or Duque??- If it's Pelf I would look for a 9-10 final record. If Duque comes back i'd say 5-6 record

RP
C. Vargas- Solid long relief(could give Pedro breaks towards the end)
D. Sanchez- by season's end should be back to old solid form
Feliciano- another solid season in the books
Smith-continues decent season
Muniz- better 7th inning than Heilman
Schoeneweis- good turn around year
Wagner- Dominant till the end

Thoughts on this???

[krustytheclown]

this team just stinks

[VinnyTheMick]

The Mets have still yet to show their true team, and the team they were 2 seasons ago when they were in the post-season. The Mets we've been seeing the past season and a half, are a dissapointment in more ways than 1. Whether it is management, or ownership is another question.

Or how about they only had that 1 year window & are in reality, quite average? I don't see how any baseball fan can expect the Mets as currently constituted to somehow conjure up the '06 team.

[Flash3]

I'm not saying that was the team they should be today, but they have too many good players to be playing the way they've been playing since June 1st of last season; 77-80.

It's the same reason as to why I don't understand why so many fans can't believe the Marlins are this good.

[yaomac11-1]

I'm not saying that was the team they should be today, but they have too many good players to be playing the way they've been playing since June 1st of last season; 77-80.

It's the same reason as to why I don't understand why so many fans can't believe the Marlins are this good.

no one expected the Marlins to be good, b/c they traded away D-train and Miggy C. I guess you get better though when you trade away some of ur top guys. Ex) Marlins this year and the year Giardi won manager of the year. Also the way the A's have been playing despite the loss of Haren, Swisher, and Kotsay. I thought the Marlins were looking decent though, b/c u still had Jacobs, Hanley, and Uggla + I'm a fan of former Heel A. Miller.

[Manhattan Project]

Funny thing is that we have only been to one playoffs with this team we have, maybe we just always overrated this team. I mean on paper there is no reason why we are this bad as we are. Its obviously that this team has given up on Randolph, there is no excitement or electricity that made us the team we were two years ago. Its like watching Isiah all over again with Randolph, just counting the days until he is axed.

[DocZaius]

Reyes...overrated. Good player, not ever gonna be consistent.

Wright...overrated. Pretty good but too streaky just like Reyes.

Beltran...Way overrated. Too soft of a guy to ever be a leader. Only his defense makes up for his underperforming bat.

Delgado...Finished

Alou...Its either DL or HOF numbers. No more power left.

Castillo...Finished and overpaid

Church...probably our only brightspot this season

Schneider...overrated defensively he's solid at best, not great.

Santana..has not pitched like an ace at all. His stuff is declining and he throws too many pitches while going too few innings. Quintessentially, he has become Al Leiter. Maybe he will get better as the season goes on but his stuff is concerning me.

Maine...has been erratic this year. Totally unexpected from him.

Perez...wild and inconsistent as usual

Pelfrey...the guy stinks. Send him down already.

Other SP...they have done an admirable job. Figueroa was good early but the league caught up with him. Vargas is pitching well but he is not gonna last. Pedro will be fine IF he gets healthy and that is a big IF.

BP...aside from Heilman has pitched well at times. Too bad they are overused. Wagner has been great.

Bench...Guys are not performing at all. Marlon stinks and Endy stinks this year. They look uninspired.

Willie...LOL the guy needs to go now what a useless Yankee. He has lost the clubhouse. Its over for him.

This team has so many problems. The only thing they can do is get rid of the man at the helm and hopefully the replacement will inspire everyone to play better. They need a new voice badly. However, even then the season is in shambles, even in this up and down division.

[mjhp911]

Ugh, it's quickly sliding into a lost season for us. The brass has to see this situation is making Willie as lame duck as lame duck can be. You can't give up on the season with a 138 million dollar payroll. It's just whack.

[mets87]

wright overrated?

now i remember why i stopped posting here.

[DocZaius]

wright overrated?

now i remember why i stopped posting here.

by us fans he overrated

he's not the saviour that we once looked upon him as

[mets87]

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by us fans he overrated

he's not the saviour that we once looked upon him as

how is he overrated

he's slumping right now and still has a 133 OPS+

he's a 2nd half player, just give it time, christ. reyes is the overrated one.

[bringinhinkie]

wright overrated?

now i remember why i stopped posting here.

took the words right out of my mouth..

[bringinhinkie]

if not for the mets collapse (and a playoff entry), wright was MVP no doubt last year, and he was on fire during the collapse, yet hes overrated?

the dude hit like 200 in april with like 1 homerun 5rbis last year (didnt look it uo but it was baaad), and finished with 325avg 416obp 30hr 107rbi 34sb (only caught 5x) and an ops of slightly under 1 and hes overrated? hes off to a better start this year than last year too and you are saying this..

rollins had a great year, but wrights was alot better and in a pitcher friendly park, the only reason rollins won it was cause the mets collapse

wrights obp was 72 pts higher than the MVP, avg 29pts higher than the MVP, ops was higher than the MVP, rbis higher then the MVP(though rollins bats leadoff so this isnt to telling), 7 less sb's, and rollins had a ton of triples.. yet david wright is overrated?

reyes atm is obviously overrated but he isnt primed yet.. how can you worry about this franchise when we still have a core of david, jose, johan, beltran, even a guy like maine who is still young, church looks good.. etc

this team will make the playoffs, quit hating on individual players, its a team sport, this team always loses as a team (not tryin to say some f*ggot cliche, but how often does the pen blow it, or starter blows it and we score 8, or the starter goes 7 solid and we score 1-2.. the team isnt on the same page, they have no discipline, its not individuals who are overrated, they have poor chemistry/teamwork/ and what appears to be no pride, at least some of them, and that does not include david f**kin wright who you can tell is stressed as a motherf**ker, i mean look at the dudes face after games, not only is his voice/expressions telling, my man is even breaking out like hes still goin through puberty) no one cares more than wright.. overrated my ass