mets reject package for halladay

[pwayknicks]

Although having a rotation of Doc Halladay and Johan would have been amazing to talk about, this team doesnt need to mortgage the future for him unless we were allowed to negotaite an extension with him(which Toronto clearly said they wouldnt allow). This team needs more offense, and with not a complete open wallet like the Yankees 17 million on another starting pitcher would keep their hands tied from acquiring a big right handed bat at first base and in the outfield(2 things they frankly need more then a starting pitcher)....

If we want to deal for Doc Halladay, I would suggest dangling Reyes and see if we can get then get the Jays to say yea go ahead and negotiate an extension. Toronto supposably wants and needs a shortstop and most met fans(myself included) are ready to give up on Reyes.

[HarthorneWingo]

SI.com reports the New York Mets have turned down a trade proposal for Blue Jays ace Roy Halladay.

Toronto requested outfielder Fernando Martinez, pitcher Bobby Parnell, pitcher Jonathan Niese and shortstop Ruben Tejada.

The Mets reportedly said no.

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/backpage ... eject.html

It didn't happen. Mets never made the offer ... what hole have you been living in?

[nykballa2k4]

I would rather have the prospects... Halladay is GOOD, one of the best around, but he can only affect one game of 5.

[YungNeef]

If that was really offered, the Mets would have been handing him a jersey yesterday. No way, we get him without Holt added.

[bringinhinkie]

I would rather have the prospects... Halladay is GOOD, one of the best around, but he can only affect one game of 5.

yea and him and johan would be 2 of 5, and then if they made the playoffs theyd be 2 of 3..this would be the best 1-2 punch since rj and schilling who won it all with a decent diamondbacks team over a very good yankee team

If we want to deal for Doc Halladay, I would suggest dangling Reyes and see if we can get then get the Jays to say yea go ahead and negotiate an extension. Toronto supposably wants and needs a shortstop and most met fans(myself included) are ready to give up on Reyes.

anyone who would consider dealing reyes is just out of the loop, im sorry.. i mean first off, who replaces him? there are like 4-5 good ss's in baseball, and they are locked up.. second, have you seen the mets record when reyes performs? its like night and day.. the 3 years prior to this season, reyes has averaged ~200hits 35 doubles 15+ triples 15+homeruns ~70rbis from the leadoff spot ~60sb's with ridiculous range in the field and a rocket arm.. oh and he just turned 26 and is on a very very good contract..

if the mets dealt reyes, there would be a hit out on omar or whoever the gm is at the time

[EricAnderson]

The Mets denied the report but that means nothig since Omars a liar as is the Mets organazation,they probably just heard the fans reaction when the trade was leaked and did damage control

If it is true how can you reject that trade? Yeah were goign nowhere this year but Halladay and Santana the next few years ill take my chances,aside rfom Fmart none of those prospects are that great and even Fmart is only like khe 30 something best prospect in the minors were no talking the next Pujols here..

[bringinhinkie]

If that was really offered, the Mets would have been handing him a jersey yesterday. No way, we get him without Holt added.

my guess is it would take: one of holt/mejia, one of fmart/flores, and 2-3 lesser prospects like neise/davis/tejada/thole,etc

im not worried about the extension.. i mean how often does a big market team of the likes of yanks/mets/boston/etc not lock up a big gun after they trade for them?

[bringinhinkie]

The Mets denied the report but that means nothig since Omars a liar as is the Mets organazation,they probably just heard the fans reaction when the trade was leaked and did damage control

If it is true how can you reject that trade? Yeah were goign nowhere this year but Halladay and Santana the next few years ill take my chances,aside rfom Fmart none of those prospects are that great and even Fmart is only like khe 30 something best prospect in the minors were no talking the next Pujols here..

while the mets are sketchy with stuff like this, the first person who claimed it was a bs deal has inside connections with toronto as he used to work for them.. the name slipped my mind im sure bno or someone knows it

[nyknicks09]

No need to blow up the last bit of the farm. The Mets need another bat like Holliday not Halliday. I rather the Mets bring a young prospect pitcher in to start their games. As far as trading Reyes, that would be a huge mistake to do right now. Why make a trade just for the hell of it! Wait till the winter meetings.

[EricAnderson]

The Mets denied the report but that means nothig since Omars a liar as is the Mets organazation,they probably just heard the fans reaction when the trade was leaked and did damage control

If it is true how can you reject that trade? Yeah were goign nowhere this year but Halladay and Santana the next few years ill take my chances,aside rfom Fmart none of those prospects are that great and even Fmart is only like khe 30 something best prospect in the minors were no talking the next Pujols here..

while the mets are sketchy with stuff like this, the first person who claimed it was a bs deal has inside connections with toronto as he used to work for them.. the name slipped my mind im sure bno or someone knows it

Of course Toronto sources are gonna deny it they arent gonna want to show their hand to other teams,that was a pretty low offer

Heyman who broke it was on Francessas show yesterday and hes usally a pretty laid back guy and he was visibly upset that he was callde a liar,sounded to me like hes telling the truth

[bringinhinkie]

The Mets denied the report but that means nothig since Omars a liar as is the Mets organazation,they probably just heard the fans reaction when the trade was leaked and did damage control

If it is true how can you reject that trade? Yeah were goign nowhere this year but Halladay and Santana the next few years ill take my chances,aside rfom Fmart none of those prospects are that great and even Fmart is only like khe 30 something best prospect in the minors were no talking the next Pujols here..

while the mets are sketchy with stuff like this, the first person who claimed it was a bs deal has inside connections with toronto as he used to work for them.. the name slipped my mind im sure bno or someone knows it

Of course Toronto sources are gonna deny it they arent gonna want to their hand to other teams,that was a pretty low offer

Heyman who broke it was on Francessas show yesterday and hes usally a pretty laid back guy and he was visibly upset that he was callde a liar,sounded to me like hes telling the truth

he is never right though, ever.. idk who his sources are, but they suck.. he is worse than alan hahn, and thats not even a stretch, he is just never ever ever ever ever right

there is no way toronto offered that.. the mets said it was false, toronto said it was false, gammons said it was false, a writer who used to work for toronto said its false, common sense would say its false, there it no validity to this rumor, other than jon heyman trying to stay somewhat relevant..

[RutgersBJJ]

Although having a rotation of Doc Halladay and Johan would have been amazing to talk about, this team doesnt need to mortgage the future for him unless we were allowed to negotaite an extension with him(which Toronto clearly said they wouldnt allow). This team needs more offense, and with not a complete open wallet like the Yankees 17 million on another starting pitcher would keep their hands tied from acquiring a big right handed bat at first base and in the outfield(2 things they frankly need more then a starting pitcher)....

If we want to deal for Doc Halladay, I would suggest dangling Reyes and see if we can get then get the Jays to say yea go ahead and negotiate an extension. Toronto supposably wants and needs a shortstop and most met fans(myself included) are ready to give up on Reyes.

it isn't mortgaging the future. Martinez is the only high level prospect in the deal, and it isn't like Halladay is a rental player. He is under contract through next year, and it would be a great deal to get ready for next year.

The Mets need to get Halladay for two reasons. 1) He is awesome and under contract through next year 2) the Phillies don't get him.

Halladay is the perfect pitcher for the Phillies because he is a ground ball pitcher.

[EricAnderson]

Although having a rotation of Doc Halladay and Johan would have been amazing to talk about, this team doesnt need to mortgage the future for him unless we were allowed to negotaite an extension with him(which Toronto clearly said they wouldnt allow). This team needs more offense, and with not a complete open wallet like the Yankees 17 million on another starting pitcher would keep their hands tied from acquiring a big right handed bat at first base and in the outfield(2 things they frankly need more then a starting pitcher)....

If we want to deal for Doc Halladay, I would suggest dangling Reyes and see if we can get then get the Jays to say yea go ahead and negotiate an extension. Toronto supposably wants and needs a shortstop and most met fans(myself included) are ready to give up on Reyes.

it isn't mortgaging the future. Martinez is the only high level prospect in the deal, and it isn't like Halladay is a rental player. He is under contract through next year, and it would be a great deal to get ready for next year.

The Mets need to get Halladay for two reasons. 1) He is awesome and under contract through next year 2) the Phillies don't get him.

Halladay is the perfect pitcher for the Phillies because he is a ground ball pitcher.

Exactly,if we have Santana and Halladay at the top well have enough offense when healthy to get by,this is a win soon team not a rebuilding team and who knows if these prospects will ever amount to anything

[EricAnderson]

Of course Toronto sources are gonna deny it they arent gonna want to their hand to other teams,that was a pretty low offer

Heyman who broke it was on Francessas show yesterday and hes usally a pretty laid back guy and he was visibly upset that he was callde a liar,sounded to me like hes telling the truth

he is never right though, ever.. idk who his sources are, but they suck.. he is worse than alan hahn, and thats not even a stretch, he is just never ever ever ever ever right

there is no way toronto offered that.. the mets said it was false, toronto said it was false, gammons said it was false, a writer who used to work for toronto said its false, common sense would say its false, there it no validity to this rumor, other than jon heyman trying to stay somewhat relevant..[/quote][/quote]

He did report Manny...I dont know the way the Mets did so much damage control last night makes me think theyre guilty

[HarthorneWingo]

I would rather have the prospects... Halladay is GOOD, one of the best around, but he can only affect one game of 5.

...while our prospects can't effect any games out of five. Btw, with Santana, that's two out of five or 40%. If we go 50/50 or 55/45 with starters 3-5. That puts us in a pretty good position. Yes?

[pwayknicks]

If you cant sign him to an extension you dont do the deal....

The Mets clearly cant afford to have another 17 million dollar pitcher and at the same time go out and get the bats needed to compete. We need a 1st baseman and 2 outfielders, these are bigger concerns then our starting pitching...

If we can find a way to get Doc for Reyes, I would be all for it. That way we can use 20 million in the offseason to land a 1st baseman and outfielder....

[pwayknicks]

I still think if we cant negotiate a contract with him, we shouldnt be out there to get him. You may think we have enough offense, but this team is just BANGED up and hasnt had much offense in the long time. WIth Delgado leaving this offseason that leaves a major glut at first base, you spend big money on Doc Hallady, you think the WIlpons will open the wallet to spend big money on a first basemen? My guess is, they would depend on Dan Murphy to man that position....Our outfielders next year would consist of Francour, a Gimpy Beltran and only god knows what in Left Field....you are going to depend on hitting .200 Francour, Beltran whose been as clutch for the Mets as Arod for the Yanks and a question mark in left field? Reyes has been banged up from the moment he joined this league, what makes you think this year is an admiration as opposed to the norm? Hes been hurt 3 of the 5 years hes been with the big club....Castillo will be a year older and probably even worse(if thats even possible)....

Fact of the matter is, next year we need 2 outfielders, a first basemen and a 2nd basemen.....

We dont have the ability to get this payroll to 200 million, getting Doc Halladay would get us very close to 140....so how do you expect to fill those positions?

The sad truth is, we need to be sellers, and we need to start over. Wright and Beltran, Santana, Pelf, Krod you can depend on, and I guess Reyes to a certain extent. We have to many holes to think getting Doc Halladay is the solve all problem...

[br7knicks]

Any GM with half a brain would've done this.

Right now the Mets have a #1 starter (Santana) and about 3 #4 starters. After that, it's all randomness.

[kane2021]

Mets need way more then Halladay.

[blueNorange]

1. it's not true
2. unless the player's agent is named scott boras, heyman knows nothing.