OT: New York Mets

[HarthorneWingo]

Niese losing trade value. Got shelled tonight. Offense was putrid. But we can take the series with a win tomorrow.

LGM

I've had my fill of Niese and Gee. If I'm Sandy I'm shopping them hard this offseason. The kids are ready and Colon can be our veteran insurance/innings eater if any of the kids falter.

1. Harvey
2. Wheeler
3. deGrom
4. Syndergaard
5. Montero
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Colon

That's an awfully young (and talented) pitching staff. I might want to keep one of Colon, Gee or Niese in the rotation just for veteran presence. I think Niese will be very hard to move this off season given his shoulder. I would just shut him down now and maybe bring up Montero and Thor later in the month.

[2010]

Niese losing trade value. Got shelled tonight. Offense was putrid. But we can take the series with a win tomorrow.

LGM

I've had my fill of Niese and Gee. If I'm Sandy I'm shopping them hard this offseason. The kids are ready and Colon can be our veteran insurance/innings eater if any of the kids falter.

1. Harvey
2. Wheeler
3. deGrom
4. Syndergaard
5. Montero
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Colon

That's an awfully young (and talented) pitching staff. I might want to keep one of Colon, Gee or Niese in the rotation just for veteran presence. I think Niese will be very hard to move this off season given his shoulder. I would just shut him down now and maybe bring up Montero and Thor later in the month.

Niese is a lefty tho. Someone will always be willing to take a flyer on a veteran lefty of his caliber at such a payroll friendly contract.

[Stannis]

Carlos Torres is pretty bad. :/ Rest of the bullpen looks pretty good. Familia might need some Ricky Vaughn eyeglasses. He's always squinting. Seriously, he looks a little too stressed out when throwing. I love his breaking balls. Black should see more innings, imo.

Bright side of today's game: At least deGrom didn't get the L.

[Stannis]

Is it possible to move Kirk Nieu to LF? He bats better than Young. And fielded a pretty good game as CF. I don't think keeping Young as LF will help in the playoff race. Kirk coming into the lineup and getting more hits could help and set a picture for next year.

I think the Mets can make the playoffs next year if the pitchers stay healthy. And if they can find a way to put Kirk as LF. Or somebody who bats at least +0.040 better than Young. If Wright gets back to his usual self, and Curtis bounces back or is traded for another RF that is better suited for Citi Field, they could get away with at least one more season without trading for a big bat.

Murphy, Duda, Lagares are great. But I don't think anyone saw both Curtis and Wright having a bad season. And then you have the 3 consistent .200-.220 guys in the order.

Niese/Colon/Gee are pretty much dead weight on the offense. I love how Wheeler and deGrom aren't that bad at the bat. Definitely helps their W/L.

Think the weakest spots are SS, LF, RF, and Catcher. Maybe Kirk can fill the LF spot next year so the Mets can put more focus on getting another SS and/or a RF.

Arnaud throws to second are awful. If Recker wasn't starting tonight, the game might have been over sooner, because Arnaud would have butchered the throw to second that Recker made with perfection. However, he's still young and should play the next season. It will be too ambitious to find another catcher along with other needs this offseason

So I think the realistic priority this offseason should be SS > RF > LF.

[Daaaarryyl]

You guys think Niese, Gee, and Colon could bring some decent return? I like them a lot. But will probably have to say goodbye to them soon. I doubt they want to be kept as insurance. There are other teams that could use them.

Niese has the highest trade value but his injury history is concerning. And It really isn't the fact that he usually misses 5-10 starts every year but more the fact that many wonder if there's a larger issue on the horizon with him. The tests/MRI's say he's OK but you have to wonder why his velocity is down (usually 89-92 peaking at around 93 at his best, but this year sitting in the 87-89 range) even if he's pitched pretty well most of the the season. If not for that he would have huge value as a trade chip since he's a good LHP in his mid 20's and signed for several years at a team friendly deal.


Gee is a valuable backend starter, which is like a great sharp shooting 3 point specialist in the NBA. You'd LOVE to have him on your team but you're not going to give up a ton to aquire him either...

Colon is a league average starter which is worth around 10-12 mil per year in MLB today. No problem, dealing him off for a nice return, except for the fact that he's in his 40's and weighs 300+ lbs.

[NYKnickerbocker]

Boy do I love watching the mets crush the phillies

Ima always hate Jimmie Rollins for shushing the crowd couple of years ago after he hit a go ahead homerun

[Daaaarryyl]

Can someone tell me what's the point of Chris Young, and why he is making 7 million?

You guys think Granderson will ever produce more?

Same reason Bynum made 12-13 mil the past few years: You're hoping a mid 20's player can return to where he was a few years back when his value was extremely high. Without the injury issue with Bynum, of course, but CY hit 20 HR's and stole 20 bags playing gold glove defense in CF a few years back. It's been a horrible signing for sure but I'll be honest in saying one of my biggest issues with Sandy and the Mets the past few years is how FEW chances they take on a youngish player who's struggles the past few years but has proven he has a lot of talent.

Another problem I have is that taking shots on guys like that usually doesn't cost that much money, which is a bigger concern now with the Mets financial situation.

[Daaaarryyl]

He grinded this one out and made great pitches when he had to (double plays). Good learning experience for him to win when he didn't have his best command.

Coupled with the news of Harvey throwing off the mound and feeling good, I'm really beginning to get excited about next season.

Harvey
Wheeler
deGrom
Niese
Gee
Colon
Syndergaard
Montero

I'm beginning to think unless we can get Giancarlos Stanton, maybe we should just hold onto our young pitching pieces. It would end up being a mistake trading Syndergaard for someone like CarGo. My gut firmly leads me to believe that.

At this point, I'd rather we trade two out of the three vets I colored in blue. Save the remainder for insurance and just sign a guy like Melky to play LF and reassess where we are down the line. Cuz I don't wanna give up Wheeler, deGrom, or Syndergaard.

You gotta give to get. I would personally be all for trading Wheeler. We know he is going to be a good pitcher in the league, which is worth something. However, he does not appear to have "ace" stuff, more so has 2 or 3 man stuff. If you can use him to get Stanton and have the heart of the order being Wright-Murph-Stanton-Duda, we got something brewing. We also have to expect that we can find a 5th starter during the off-season. Our management has shown creativity thus far getting guys like Colon and Capuano. 4 starters for sure we have in Harvey, DeGrom, Niese, Colon and we can hope Syndergaard of Asgaard becomes something special too. Keep in mind, it is usually good to have some veteran starters on the roster to help the young guys progress and get through tough times.


Mets need some serious pop. Our rotation is not what is holding us back from the playoffs.

Look at SF. They had that elite pitching and also had some power guys mixed in.

I agree with everything you wrote except the part about SF and their offense/power.

They literally had guys who where castoffs like Ross, Burrell, Scutaro, the scrub CF the Mets traded for- Andres Torres and other mediocre players surrounding Posey and Sandoval.

[Stannis]

This is embarrassing.

[Stannis]

wheeew. That was close. Glad for the win. But I am mostly happy for Colon's 200th win tbh. Gratz big fella.

Should have been an easy win.

[HarthorneWingo]

wheeew. That was close. Glad for the win. But I am mostly happy for Colon's 200th win tbh. Gratz big fella.

Should have been an easy win.

Terry should've had Bartolo at least start the 9th. We almost blew this one.

[HarthorneWingo]

Chris Young finally DFA'd. Seemed like a nice guy but this was an epic Sandy fail.

[Jeffrey]

Matt DenDekker gets the call. He's been ripping the ball in AAA but then again its a hitter's league.

[Stannis]

wheeew. That was close. Glad for the win. But I am mostly happy for Colon's 200th win tbh. Gratz big fella.

Should have been an easy win.

Terry should've had Bartolo at least start the 9th. We almost blew this one.

Word. Colon must have been tired or something. He was killing it today with those flyouts.

Seems like Eveland is always the one to give up leads when I watch the Mets.

Bullpen has to be in tip top shape tomorrow if the offense manages to score against Hamels.

Chris Young finally DFA'd. Seemed like a nice guy but this was an epic Sandy fail.

I was upset before because I thought it was a multi year deal. I just found out it was only a one year 7 million dollar deal. Which is still a waste of money in hindsight. Because Kirk could have probably produced as much at an eighth of the cost.

It was a decent experiment to try I guess.

[HarthorneWingo]

wheeew. That was close. Glad for the win. But I am mostly happy for Colon's 200th win tbh. Gratz big fella.

Should have been an easy win.

Terry should've had Bartolo at least start the 9th. We almost blew this one.

Word. Colon must have been tired or something. He was killing it today with those flyouts.

Seems like Eveland is always the one to give up leads when I watch the Mets.

Chris Young finally DFA'd. Seemed like a nice guy but this was an epic Sandy fail.

I was upset before because I thought it was a multi year deal. I just found out it was only a one year 7 million dollar deal. Which is still a waste of money in hindsight. Because Kirk could have probably produced as much at an eighth of the cost.

It was a decent experiment to try I guess.

We could've signed Nelson Cruz to a cheap deal (but more than what Baltimore paid him).

[Stannis]

We could've signed Nelson Cruz to a cheap deal (but more than what Baltimore paid him).

Damn. Didn't know that. How's his fielding?

Could be a blessing in disguise if the Mets were going to sign him for a multi-year deal. You said more than what Baltimore is paying. So he would get about 10 million a year with the Mets. And he's 34. Maybe the Mets could get someone better and cheaper this offeseason. Since the improved pitching staff makes the Mets a more attractive destination for free agents.

[HarthorneWingo]

We could've signed Nelson Cruz to a cheap deal (but more than what Baltimore paid him).

Damn. Didn't know that. How's his fielding?

Could be a blessing in disguise if the Mets were going to sign him for a multi-year deal. You said more than what Baltimore is paying. So he would get about 10 million a year with the Mets. And he's 34. Maybe the Mets could get someone better and cheaper this offeseason. Since the improved pitching staff makes the Mets a more attractive destination for free agents.

His field probably kinda sucks, but we got Legares and Grandy to help compensate. Cruz as something like 30 HRs and 80 RBIs. I could live with an occasional error or misplay. We do it for Murph.

[HarthorneWingo]

Matt DenDekker gets the call. He's been ripping the ball in AAA but then again its a hitter's league.

Yeah, hopefully he can show something this time up. He's got to cut down on his strikeouts.

[Jeffrey]

Matt DenDekker gets the call. He's been ripping the ball in AAA but then again its a hitter's league.

Yeah, hopefully he can show something this time up. He's got to cut down on his strikeouts.

This is pretty much his spring training for 2015. If he shows nothing, then the Mets will make a move this offseason to add more offense.

I don't see how the Mets can tell their fans to wait until mid 2015/start 2016 for Nimmo and Conforto. Even so, both of those guys are top of the lineup hitters. This team needs to add another big bat.

[HarthorneWingo]

Matt DenDekker gets the call. He's been ripping the ball in AAA but then again its a hitter's league.

Yeah, hopefully he can show something this time up. He's got to cut down on his strikeouts.

This is pretty much his spring training for 2015. If he shows nothing, then the Mets will make a move this offseason to add more offense.

I don't see how the Mets can tell their fans to wait until mid 2015/start 2016 for Nimmo and Conforto. Even so, both of those guys are top of the lineup hitters. This team needs to add another big bat.

Let's say den Dekker ends up hitting/playing well in his time up here, don't you think the Mets have to go out and get a slugger for LF? Unless maybe we get a strong hitting SS. But those are two positions we definitely have to improve, though LF more so IMO (I don't hate Tejada as much as others do). Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to see us solve our LF problem internally through our farm system. I hope MDD succeeds.