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Mets eye Buehrle, Contreras [ARTICLE]
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:37 pm
by Jose7
Mets eye Buehrle, Contreras
Monday, June 25, 2007
BY DAN GRAZIANO
Star-Ledger Staff
With the Chicago White Sox sliding further out of contention, trade talks heated up this weekend regarding some of their potentially available starting pitchers.
The pitcher the White Sox are most likely to move is left-hander Mark Buehrle, who can be a free agent after this season. The Mets, Braves, Red Sox and perhaps a half-dozen other teams have expressed serious interest in Buehrle, though, as of last night, no team had formally requested a 72-hour window to negotiate a contract extension with him. That doesn't mean a deal won't be done, but the Mets have been telling teams that they won't trade any of their top prospects for a player they control only through this season.
According to an official with one of the teams involved, the Mets also have asked the White Sox about former Yankees right-hander Jose Contreras, who is signed through 2009. The official, who asked not to be identified because the deals he was talking about are not done, said the Mets would be more likely to give up top minor-league talent for Contreras than they would for Buehrle.
Perhaps fueling the Mets' interest in acquiring a starting pitcher is the news that the Braves have been making a strong push for Buehrle. Also pushing hard are the Boston Red Sox, who recently lost Curt Schilling to the disabled list. There was no indication last night that the Yankees were interested in Buehrle, though Boston's interest surely could pique theirs.
White Sox GM Ken Williams told Chicago reporters yesterday that he was considering making changes in light of the team's poor play, though he didn't say what those would be. A White Sox official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the deals are still in the discussion stages, said it was "anybody's game."
"The way we're playing, I'm sure (Williams) is going to try to do something as long as it's reasonable and not irrational."
Yuck @ Contreras...
HELL NO would I trade Milledge for either of those guys. I'd give Humber and Sosa for Buehrle though even though that's far fetched.
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:47 pm
by YungNeef
I wouldn't give any of our top prospects for Buehrle. He is more than likely going to be a FA in the offseason and probably heading to the Cards. As for Contreras, I wouldn't give a bum like the white flag or Mota for him, so I damn sure wouldn't give up a top prospect for him. Unless a Oswalt(doubt it), Willis, or Zambrano are on the market, I say we keep our prospects and make minor deals. I wouldn't mind making another Ollie Perez type deal though.
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:06 pm
by blueNorange
Do you know what pisses me off?? Whenever Omar tries to make a trade for another team's player, their asking price is totally overblown but when they trade with another team not named Mets they ask for crap back.
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:33 pm
by cmaff051
Contreras is a complete headcase and won't be able to survive in New York , but Buerhle is a very good pitcher. The guy is a lock for 225 innings and to make close to every one of his starts, I don't think you can count on that from anybody in the Mets starting rotation (or the Yanks rotation for that matter).
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:44 pm
by Jose7
cmaff051 wrote:Contreras is a complete headcase and won't be able to survive in New York , but Buerhle is a very good pitcher. The guy is a lock for 225 innings and to make close to every one of his starts, I don't think you can count on that from anybody in the Mets starting rotation (or the Yanks rotation for that matter).
Yeah... We can't count on John Maine... I mean the guy SUCKS.
http://www.realgm.com/boards/baseball/v ... 45&start=0cmaff051 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
You think he'll be better his next start?
He's starting his regression to the mean.. he's not going to be a 2.70 ERA pitcher.
He won't be a 2.70 ERA pitcher but he's been DAMN good all year. Only 2 bad starts.
cmaff051 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
John Maine doesn't have a plus plus fastball. And you yourself just admitted that his secondary stuff isn't very good.
And can we stop with this myth that I've never watched any of Maine's met starts other than this one? That's completely untrue and unfair to say.
Maine does have a PLUS PLUS Fastball, very deceptive and it starts fromt he waist to the eyes, hitters just swing through it. He has MOVEMENT on his FB. He can easily throw it 98+ with No movement but unlike Farnsuck he throws it 92-94 with great movement.
He is starting to throw his slider AND changeup to both sides of the plate, making him more of a comeplete pitcher.
. Wow sir, you are a CLOWN.
In Steve Somers words, I bet "It's good to be king"
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:01 pm
by Manhattan Project
Its not like we are pressured to go out there and get another front line starting pitcher. You know what you are going to get from Glavine and El Duque for the most part. Maine and Perez can pitch gems, or they can implode. Maine being more consistent and Perez being more dramatic. We are getting back Pedro, who knows what he will bring. Sosa has done great thus far, but I cant envision him keeping it up throughout the entire year. Then we always have Pelfrey and Humber in the minors waiting for there chance.
I wouldnt mind getting Buehrle, but I wont give up any top prospects...
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:43 pm
by cmaff051
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:17 pm
by Jose7
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4 walks in his last 4 starts, happy?
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:14 am
by cmaff051
Why are you turning this into a John Maine discussion, the fact is that you have nobody on your pitching staff with more than 10 starts who has averaged more than 6.2 innings per start. Buerhle is a terrific innings eater.
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:56 am
by Jose7
Why do we need a guy to go 7 innings every night? When we have a very solid bullpen.
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:59 am
by cmaff051
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:24 am
by Manhattan Project
cmaff051 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
That makes no sense at all. You want to avoid your bullpen at all possible. Especially due to all the complaining I hear in this forum about Heilman.
You want your starters to eat as much innings as you can.
B. Wagner
A. Heilman
P. Feliciano
G. Mota
S. Schoeneweis
J. Smith
A. Sele
Personally if we have to go tot he bullpen im comfortable with any of these guys coming in. Also Sanchez and Williams are still on the DL. Our bullpen is a strength not a weakness.
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:10 am
by Jose7
cmaff051 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
That makes no sense at all. You want to avoid your bullpen at all possible. Especially due to all the complaining I hear in this forum about Heilman.
You want your starters to eat as much innings as you can.
This isnt the Yankees bullpen man, you guys cant rely on anyone from ur bullpen including Mariano who is past his great years. Age is catching up with Mo.
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:33 am
by cmaff051
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:43 am
by Jose7
I wouldnt call Humber "an average" prospect. Dude just came back from TJ surgery and he has only thrown 150 IP in his minor league career so his arm isnt taxed. He is just very raw.
The NL is lucky we dont have Duaner "Dirty" Sanchez. Last year, it was basically a 7 innning game for the opposition. Sanchez was lockdown in the 8th and Heilman closed it out in the 9th.
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:22 am
by cmaff051
Sanchez is nasty, I'd take him over Farnsworth.
I'd take Showenweiss over Farnsworth though.
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:28 am
by Jose7
No, i'd take anyone over Showenweiss if he is facing a righty. He is TERRIBLE against righties.
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:52 am
by vincanityisdagr8est
I would trade either Humber or Milledge for Buerhle not both.I wouldn't trade Gomez, Martinez, or Pelfrey. I like Buerhe, I think he is a very good pitcher, and he is 28 years old. I think he would be very good in the NL especially on this team. You get a younger version of Glavine with better stuff and get a lot younger in SP department.
However tHe guy I want the most is Zambrano but I don't know if the Cubs will trade him.
I would love to trade for COntreras only if the WHite-sox are willing to take back a few autographed baseballs signed by Pedro, Reyes, Beltran, and Wright. It'll be a lotttttttt of $ some day.
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:20 am
by YungNeef
Only problem is keeping him. Would be foolish to trade any top guy for a player that we might lose in the offseason. Anyway, Perez could be used as our innings eater. Since May 7th, Perez has only had 2 games where he has not gone 7+ innings.
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:16 pm
by vincanityisdagr8est
YungNeef wrote:Only problem is keeping him. Would be foolish to trade any top guy for a player that we might lose in the offseason. Anyway, Perez could be used as our innings eater. Since May 7th, Perez has only had 2 games where he has not gone 7+ innings.
No you're right. Omar has got to be like a 72 hour window to re-sign Buerhle or something like that.