Willie is the WORST, absolute WORST manager in the league

Jose7 · Post #1 » by **Jose7** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:52 pm

great job william.

bringinhinkie · Post #2 » by **bringinhinkie** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:16 pm

yea, willie sucks he misjudged 2 fly ball outs in center, walked a bunch of bums before rollins, and he sucks at driving in guys on base.. i still cant believe willie tried stealing third with 2 outs 2 on and wright up..

Jose7 · Post #3 » by **Jose7** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:24 pm

Yep, Willie doesnt squeeze with 2 of the fastest men no base and a top bunter in the league atthe plate.

Willie tries to make feliciano pitch a 2nd inning when there are 3 righties coming up.

I really dont see us doing anything in October this year if we make it.

mets87 · Post #4 » by **mets87** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:50 am

good lord, dude. you're one of those fans that's on cloud nine when we win a few games in a row and you're inconsolable when we lose 2 games. :roll:

and lol @ the squeeze play. bunting doesn't win championships. how about this: you get angry at the fact that we scored 2 runs off of jamie moyer. or that we scored 3 runs off of kyle lohse. or that jose reyes has no idea what he's doing at the plate right now (or apparently what he's doing on the basepaths. caught stealing 3rd with 2 out and the best run producer on the team at the plate?!) . you're getting pissed that a manager didn't put a squeeze play on?!

Lord Commander · Post #5 » by **Lord Commander** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:16 am

If/when we are eliminated, there is no way Willie should be allowed to keep his job...NO WAY!!!

TdoubleE · Post #6 » by **TdoubleE** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:33 am

Dont get too upset but he'll be back. Yeah, he's a huge part of the problem but this team has so many issues at this point I'm not sure any manager can fix them. I wanted him gone a long time ago but they will give him a long leash.

Post #7 » by **mjhp911** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:45 am

TdoubleE wrote:Dont get too upset but he'll be back. Yeah, he's a huge part of the problem but this team has so many issues at this point I'm not sure any manager can fix them. I wanted him gone a long time ago but they will give him a long leash.

I'm not so sure about that. This is going to be the worst collapse in the history of the game. Losing a 7 game lead with 17 to play. Someone's head has to likely roll for that. It very well might be Willie's.

Omar shares a lot of blame in this. I said over the summer that we needed to get a young stud for the front of our rotation, that it was too old. Sure enough, we started breaking down towards the end of the season. We had a Series-worthy club last season and this season too... but Omar should have provided us with more horses on the mound. But overall, he's done a decent job. I think it's Willie that should have done more with what we had. He had too many questionable decisions down the stretch.

mets87 · Post #8 » by **mets87** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:48 am

what pitchers would you have gotten/would've been available? barry zito? :rofl:

don't say chad cordero. jim dumbass bowden would've asked for half our farm system for him. :roll:

and gagne's been sooooo good for the bosox...

chad bradford's getting shelled in baltimore; darren oliver's only good year happened to be with us. if duaner doesn't decide to take a cab at 2 a.m., our bullpen would be fine.

http://www.last.fm/user/DPF55 · Post #9 » by **Buck You** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:06 pm

He's no Ned Yost.

Post #10 » by **mjhp911** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:57 pm

mets87 wrote:what pitchers would you have gotten/would've been available? barry zito?

don't say chad cordero. jim dumbass bowden would've asked for half our farm system for him. and gagne's been sooooo good for the bosox...

chad bradford's getting shelled in baltimore; darren oliver's only good year happened to be with us. if duaner doesn't decide to take a cab at 2 a.m., our bullpen would be fine.

Had we traded for Zito before last year's trade deadline, we would have won the World Series (I said nothing about possibly re-signing him for this season). We showed we had a Series worthy squad all season last season. We should have pulled out all the stops to assure that ring after 20 years. Yes, I like how Milledge has developed for us. But when you have a legit shot at a ring, you go for it. Don't quibble about the cost. Same thing for this season. We should have added another young arm for the front of our rotation. Our pen breaking down is also a byproduct of our starting pitching failing. Don't talk to me about Dirty Sanchez. You're preaching to the choir, I already KNOW he cost us a ring last season.

Post #11 » by **mjhp911** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:11 pm

Whoa...

Willie Randolph Guarantees NL East Title
28th September, 2007 - 8:32 am
New York Daily News - The Mets' 3-0 loss to the Cardinals at Shea last night was in the books. So was Philadelphia's win over Atlanta. And every bit of the seven-game lead that the Mets on Sept. 12 had completely vanished.

The players, clearly shaken but trying to stay optimistic, were whispering about "fighting" and "not giving up" when Willie Randolph cruised through and spoke loud enough to make sure everyone heard him.

That's when the normally stoic Randolph decided to make a bold claim.

"We're gonna win this thing!"

Willie-bury? :dontknow:

mets87 · Post #12 » by **mets87** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:10 pm

mortgage the future to *MAYBE* win one world series? sorry, we're not the marlins. but you really think an average pitcher like zito would've won us a world series? if i remember correctly, it was the bullpen that cost us at least 2 games in the NLCS.

so, since you didn't answer me the first time, what relief pitcher would you have tried to get?

Post #13 » by **mjhp911** » Mon Oct 1, 2007 5:15 am

mets87 wrote:mortgage the future to *MAYBE* win one world series? sorry, we're not the marlins. but you really think an average pitcher like zito would've won us a world series? if i remember correctly, it was the bullpen that cost us at least 2 games in the NLCS.

so, since you didn't answer me the first time, what relief pitcher would you have tried to get?

We were the best team in the Majors all of last season. We should have pulled out all the stops to assure our championship. We lost the Cards series because we were short one quality starting pitcher. The same 83-win Cards squad that dusted the AL in the Series. Getting Zito would have pushed us over the top. As for this season, just take your pick of relievers that were available. We should have bolstered our pen before the deadline. If it was the wrong one, at least we still tried. It was better than doing nothing.

Post #14 » by **Flash3** » Mon Oct 1, 2007 6:25 am

Losing a 7 game lead with so little left to go in the regular season, is far from the Managers, GM's or anyone else's fault.

Yes, 'everything' before may have lead to the eventual that happened today, maybe.

But, it was the players in the end who failed, not the manager.

This same manager got this team an out or two from the WS just a season ago.

Post #15 » by **mjhp911** » Mon Oct 1, 2007 6:53 am

But, it was the players in the end who failed, not the manager.

The manager also put the team in a position to fail, by some of his questionable decisions. Yes, it was a total collapse from everyone. The fact is, this team led the division for over four months, and at times looked close to the best team in the league. We have the talent.

Now keep in mind, in the 125+ years of this league (how old is the majors, anyway?), no other team has collapsed as badly as we have, in the last month of the season. Some 20 to 30 teams, in over a hundred years, has never suffered the breakdown we suffered. This was a collapse of monumental proportions.

With that in mind, I think someone has to take a fall. And I think this someone needs to be a person of significance. The fans and media will need a scapegoat. Who would you choose? You have 3 choices - Willie, Omar, or Reyes (or a bunch of players equalling the 'package' of the stature of Reyes). I choose Willie. If we keep Willie, then offer Reyes in a package for Santana, or Willis (or a bunch of players/prospects that equal the magnitude of a Reyes). What I'm trying to say is, you blame either the manager, the GM, or the players. One of them has to take the fall for this. It's going to show the fans that this organization will not stand for what happened, and they're serious about competing again next season. If we remain largely the same, we'll likely have the same issues.

So we need a big change somewhere. Either the manager goes, the GM goes, or the player(s) goes. You're gonna' have to lay the blame somewhere. If Omar chooses to revamp the roster and make a whole slew of changes, then fine, Willie can stay. But the brass should discuss Willie's job as one of the options to change this offseason. When you have a collapse like no other the game has seen before, ANYTHING should be up for discussion.

Post #16 » by **Flash3** » Mon Oct 1, 2007 9:57 am

mjhp911 wrote:
But, it was the players in the end who failed, not the manager.

The manager also put the team in a position to fail, by some of his questionable decisions. Yes, it was a total collapse from everyone. The fact is, this team led the division for over four months, and at times looked close to the best team in the league. We have the talent.

Yeah, everything in the end had an effect on the outcome and what eventually happened.

I made mention of that in my post...

Yes, 'everything' before may have lead to the eventual that happened today, maybe.

...but, I still feel that these losses this past week or so was all on the players, more so than not. Yes, they were spent, drained, tired, what-have-you, but with a 7 game lead and just a little while left to go, they lose to teams they shouldn't even be losing to in the 1st place, especially with everything on the line for them.

Who would you choose? You have 3 choices - Willie, Omar, or Reyes

I'll go with the GM, Omar Minaya. He's the person in charge of putting forth the players on the team, and for w/ever reason not bringing enough bullpen help or w/ever else the team needed. Randolph may have mismanaged the bullpen and all, but the lack of players or quality players at that, especially in terms of pitching, is all on Minaya.

On a side note, Willis' value (willis for reyes) is not that high, is it? :pray:

Lord Commander · Post #17 » by **Lord Commander** » Mon Oct 1, 2007 1:45 pm

Flash3 wrote:On a side note, Willis' value (willis for reyes) is not that high, is it? :pray:

Let's not get crazy - Willis' value has bottomed out. Loria held on to him too long. I'd trade Reyes and Pelfrey for Cabrera though.

mets87 · Post #18 » by **mets87** » Mon Oct 1, 2007 3:46 pm

and where would you put him? we're in the national league, fyi. no DH's, which is basically what he is.

Post #19 » by **Flash3** » Mon Oct 1, 2007 3:56 pm

Cabrera can play either LF or RF, that's where he was for ~2 years.

Lord Commander · Post #20 » by **Lord Commander** » Mon Oct 1, 2007 4:00 pm

mets87 wrote:and where would you put him? we're in the national league, fyi. no DH's, which is basically what he is.

I'd try him at 1st or LF. Delgado is done - IMO, they should be actively shopping him. I don't think Cabrera's future would be at 3rd.

I was really just trying to counter the BS that the Marlins fan was proposing - it's not like I think anything like that would ever happen. The only deal I would make for Reyes is a Cy Young type pitcher like Santana.