Is this really that bad?

[KnicksFan7]

My question is, is Joe leaving really that bad? Yes Joe has an amazing resume. But come on guys. He's been here for 12 years. Longest of any coach under the Steinbrenner Era. He's left us with so many memories and I think he went out on a high note.

I'm happy for him. Not so much that he is leaving, but I'm happy for him as a person. He took what he felt was a crappy offer and told George to shove it. He left on his own terms and you gotta be happy for a guy who does that. I'm also happy because it's the beginning of a new era. There are a couple of good managers out there that a capable of bringing a winning attitude and plenty of baseball smarts to New York. I for one like Girardi and hope he is chosen by the Yankees.

When it comes down to it, we're all Yankee fans. One manager leaving isn't the end of the world. Yes we'll have our ups and downs with this new team next year and possibly for the next few years. But all I have to say is, good for Joe and let's bring on the new era! GO YANKEES!!!!

[VinnyTheMick]

His leaving could also signal

Andy not coming back
Mo not coming back
Posada not coming back

& we could lose A Rod this off season (although I doubt A Rod is sad that Joe is gone).

So yeah, could eventually be the worst offseason in the past 25 years.

[cmaff051]

The way this organization treated Joe Torre during this entire 10 day period is the worst part.

[Jitpal]

I think one thing no one is really thinking about is all the vets we have sitting around or splitting time. I don't think there is a single manager available who would tell Giambi to sit on the bench and Giambi would be ok with it. I don't think there is another manager who can tell Matsui and Damon that they will be splitting time in left and have both of them sign off on it. Various other things like that, I have a feeling we will have some sort of uprising unless we can jettison some of the dead weight. -Jitpal

[nykgeneralmanager]

I think I'm one of the few who aren't freaking out because of this.

First...the manager's spot. This change was going to come, if not this year then next year. And honestly, it probably should have occurred already maybe a couple of years ago. This team is changing direction with how it is run, we are going towards the youth, and the change is necessary to go along with all the other changes.

The catcher. Posada is 36 years old and is a career .277 hitter while being subpar defensively and not exactly the best at calling a game. I'll take Molina for a year, hit him 9th and let him be excellent defensively and call a great game. He can help the young pitchers out A LOT, while Posada will probably hold them back. Posada is NOT going to be worth the $15-17 mil per year he will demand. Save it and lets go with Molina.

The closer. Okay, I won't even try to put a happy spin on this. We cannot afford to lose him, but I see no reason for him to go. We've never treated him badly, we can offer him the most money, we want him back badly, and we offer a great chance to win. No reason for him to go anywhere, but I can see him playing the whole "30 teams" spectacle to get the most money out of the Yanks.

Andy Pettitte. If he wants to play, he'll come back. If not, that's $16 mil we can save. Everybody loves Pettitte, but the chances are slim that he is anything better than average next season. Considering we have 5-7 starters already, we can afford to lose an average starter who will make $16 million, although nobody will be happy to see Pettitte go.

The 3rd baseman. I don't think this will really affect ARod's decision, if anything it may help him come back because the two of them didn't have the best relationship, although ARod obviously respected him greatly.

It will be an interesting offseason, but I don't think this creates the catastrophic chain reaction that people are trying to create.

[cmaff051]

It will be an interesting offseason, but I don't think this creates the catastrophic chain reaction that people are trying to create.

Are you serious???? There is no definitive chain of command in this organization. This organization is in flux. Randy Levine has more power than ever before. If that doesn't scare you, then you need to read up on Randy Levine. He is an absolute weasel and I fear for this organization if he is making decisions going forward.

This offseason marks a new era in Yankee baseball. Who is running the team? This organization could be turning into the Knicks as far as we know.

[nykgeneralmanager]

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Are you serious???? There is no definitive chain of command in this organization. This organization is in flux. Randy Levine has more power than ever before. If that doesn't scare you, then you need to read up on Randy Levine. He is an absolute weasel and I fear for this organization if he is making decisions going forward.

This offseason marks a new era in Yankee baseball. Who is running the team? This organization could be turning into the Knicks as far as we know.

Every organization in sports goes through changes and transitions. Just because we've been so spoiled for the last 10-15 years does not mean that we are immune to those very transitions. George is slowly giving power away, and who that power will go to has to be decided. As long as Cashman is really in charge of things I trust that we will be okay.

[HCYanks]

I am a little concerned that Cashman had no primary input in the decision, even if I don't like Torre myself.

Also, I'm adamant about keeping Posada. Yes, he's getting up there, but he still appears to be peaking as a hitter (he was easily the second best hitter behind ARod on the team this year), so I don't expect him to get mediocre overnight. If we manage to lose both him and Alex, our offense could look pretty average next year.

[swisscheeseD]

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Are you serious???? There is no definitive chain of command in this organization. This organization is in flux. Randy Levine has more power than ever before. If that doesn't scare you, then you need to read up on Randy Levine. He is an absolute weasel and I fear for this organization if he is making decisions going forward.

This offseason marks a new era in Yankee baseball. Who is running the team? This organization could be turning into the Knicks as far as we know.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

im not mad over the change over in the managerial position, per say....

but it was the way that the Yankee heirarchy went about it, they were classless....

whos to say that right now the yanks are any more classy of an organization than our own NY KNICKS???

its very sad to see how they treated one of the best managers in yankee history

[Pharmcat]

I think I'm one of the few who aren't freaking out because of this.

First...the manager's spot. This change was going to come, if not this year then next year. And honestly, it probably should have occurred already maybe a couple of years ago. This team is changing direction with how it is run, we are going towards the youth, and the change is necessary to go along with all the other changes.

The catcher. Posada is 36 years old and is a career .277 hitter while being subpar defensively and not exactly the best at calling a game. I'll take Molina for a year, hit him 9th and let him be excellent defensively and call a great game. He can help the young pitchers out A LOT, while Posada will probably hold them back. Posada is NOT going to be worth the $15-17 mil per year he will demand. Save it and lets go with Molina.

The closer. Okay, I won't even try to put a happy spin on this. We cannot afford to lose him, but I see no reason for him to go. We've never treated him badly, we can offer him the most money, we want him back badly, and we offer a great chance to win. No reason for him to go anywhere, but I can see him playing the whole "30 teams" spectacle to get the most money out of the Yanks.

Andy Pettitte. If he wants to play, he'll come back. If not, that's $16 mil we can save. Everybody loves Pettitte, but the chances are slim that he is anything better than average next season. Considering we have 5-7 starters already, we can afford to lose an average starter who will make $16 million, although nobody will be happy to see Pettitte go.

The 3rd baseman. I don't think this will really affect ARod's decision, if anything it may help him come back because the two of them didn't have the best relationship, although ARod obviously respected him greatly.

It will be an interesting offseason, but I don't think this creates the catastrophic chain reaction that people are trying to create.

as much as i dislike torre and some of his moves, i dont think there is any1 better out there since i believe mattingly isnt ready for the job yet

and dont you think you are being a lil too harsh bout posada? you ready to have molina as the everyday catcher?

totallly agree with Mo, with him, he is all business, we'll give him the 3 yrs 42 mill he is looking for

if Andy who pitched awesome against the Ind is a "avg" starter, then what does that make Wang who got battered in his two starts? ..this year, if we on a losing streak, who do you trust to stop it? Ans: Andy....following a playoff loss, who do you we turn to for a W? Andy(not his fault bout the bugs:)....we need him back

and we need to bring Arod back, i want him to lose the choke title with us instead of doing it against us

[TKF]

I love and will miss joe, but as someone said, this day was going to come, now or later. The yankees can't make moves out of fear, these are the Yankees. We appreciate all the success joe has helped bring here. Now it is a new era...

I mean come on, what good manager is going to look a this roster with all these young talented pitchers, cano, melky, possibly mo,
A-rod, and go, Nah I rather coach baltimore, or the diamond backs.. come on guys! The yanks are in good shape and will continue to be, everyone is looking at worst case scenario, losing A-rod, mo, posada and pettite, I mean that is absolute worst case... Yanks will be Ok..

[KnicksFan7]

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Just because we've been so spoiled for the last 10-15 years does not mean that we are immune to those very transitions.

I think you hit it right on the head. Everybody is freaking out because we've been spoiled rotten. Also, there's nothing we can do about it as fans. Let's just sit back and see what's going to happen. This team was bound to lose Joe at some point. Whether it was now or next year.

I say let's usher in the new season with some hope that this team won't be as bad as everyone is saying. I mean geez, they are the freakin' New York Yankees and they are being written off as losers. Unbelievable!