Alright here we go...

[SARGO127]

- Trade Ian Kennedy, Jose Tabata, Alan Horne, Tyler Clippard/Jeff Marquez to FLA for Miguel Cabrera
- Resign Mariano (3), Posada (3), Pettitte (1), Molina (1)
- Sign Japanese RP Hitoke Iwase (3)
- Trade Jason Giambi, Tyler Clippard, Kyle Farnsworth, Cash for Scot Shields, Chone Figgens
WHY? Brandon Wood is waiting in the wings and LAA can definitaly use Giambis power.

LINEUP:
LF Johnny Damon
SS Derek Jeter
RF Bobby Abreu
1B Miguel Cabrera
2B Robinson Cano
DH Hideki Matsui
C Jorge Posada
3B Chone Figgens
CF Melky Cabrera

BENCH:
Wilson Betemit
Jose Molina
Shelley Duncan
Andy Phillips
Gonzalez/Sardinha/TBA

ROTO:
Chien Ming Wang
Andy Pettitte
Phil Hughes
Mike Mussina
Joba Chamberlain

PEN:
CL Mariano Rivera
SU Hitoke Iwase
RP Scott Schields
RP Edwar Ramirez
RP Ross Ohlendorf
RP Brian Bruney

[VinnyTheMick]

No.

[Jitpal]

Neither of trades are realistic and Anaheim deal is also bad. Re-signings are fine and Iwase is good. I like that. Overall, it would be a pretty bad offseason. -Jitpal

[Pugsley_2491]

you can't be serious

[HCYanks]

The Marlins and Angels both laugh at those deals.

[nykgeneralmanager]

I don't think the Marlins laugh at that deal. They get arguably two top 20 pitching prospects in baseball who are BOTH major league ready and under team control for 6 seasons, and a top 10 hitting prospect in Tabata for a guy who will take up a third of their payroll and will be leaving soon anyway.

[cmaff051]

I don't think the Marlins laugh at that deal. They get arguably two top 20 pitching prospects in baseball who are BOTH major league ready and under team control for 6 seasons, and a top 10 hitting prospect in Tabata for a guy who will take up a third of their payroll and will be leaving soon anyway.

Alan Horne is major league ready?? Really?

He doesn't have much trade value. He may be a Top 20 pitching prospect, but that isn't saying that much.

[HCYanks]

I just don't buy that we're getting a Cabrera deal done based solely on prospects (i'm counting Hughes and Joba as major leaguers when I say that). Cabrera's a superstar for the next decade if he gets his weight under control. He's not staying in Florida, but that doesn't mean the Marlins aren't going to look for top value for him.

[cmaff051]

I just don't buy that we're getting a Cabrera deal done based solely on prospects (i'm counting Hughes and Joba as major leaguers when I say that). Cabrera's a superstar for the next decade if he gets his weight under control. He's not staying in Florida, but that doesn't mean the Marlins aren't going to look for top value for him.

Cano and Wang are due for a big payday soon. You would have to assume that they are out of the equation for the Marlins due to that reason. I'm sure that's all that they are looking for: prospects or rookies who have talent and will be cheap for the next 5-6 years.

[HCYanks]

True. I'm not convinced we can outbid other teams for Miggy without Phil or Joba in the equation, though. I guess we'll have to see if other teams with farm talent (the Angels?) start to show interest in him.

[nykgeneralmanager]

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Alan Horne is major league ready?? Really?

He doesn't have much trade value. He may be a Top 20 pitching prospect, but that isn't saying that much.

He is close enough. There is no reason that a bad team such as the Marlins can't have Horne get major league action by June or so.

Assuming Kennedy can be a #3 and Horne a #4 in the AL, you can argue Kennedy can be a #2/3 and Horne a #3/4 in the NL. Those guys don't grow on trees, especially ones under team control for dirt cheap for 6 years. That is invaluable to a franchise like the Marlins.

[Pugsley_2491]

Well Horne was the Eastern League Pitcher of the Year this year so i see no reason why we would have him AND kennedy AND even tabata. A more realistic one would be melky and horne/kennedy and mayyybee 1-2 more minor league fillers.

[Pharmcat]

im not a fan of cabrera at all : xpanding weight, bad D = bad combo


we should go for Beltre


and we should keep kennedy and horne, they fit right in after Phil, Joba, Wang....perfect 4 and 5 to have

[Chach]

You realize that if that is your best offer, there are at least 2-3 teams that could beat that easily? If the Sox were to think about trading for Miggy, this is what they are going to have to offer:
Clay Buchholz
Jacoby Ellsbury
Justin Masterson/Michael Bowden
and a high value position prospect, a Lars Anderson/Ryan Kalish level.

If a Sox fans proposes anything less than that, you all would blast him as a homer trying to screw the Marlins. The Marlins had a talented pitching staff prior to Bulldog Joe's arrival and many of those guys should recover. They have enough guys of the Kennedy/Horne mold so they don't need more. If they are going to move arguably the best under 25 hitter in baseball, they have to get more than a "decent" package. They need a star in return and more, preferably close to major league ready help. Unless you are willing to give up that, start drawing up a time table for when your prospects will break in with the Yankees. mahalo
~Chach~

[nykgeneralmanager]

I don't disagree, but we ALL know that the Yankees will not move Hughes or Joba. And if they were convinced to move one by some stretch of the imagination, it would be for Santana and nobody else.

So the fact that we are putting in our next top 2 pitching prospects along with our best hitting prospect isn't being too much of a homer IMO.

[Chach]

But that's not enough and to even propose it implies that you think it is enough. I know what it's going to take from the Sox system to get a deal done and I don't like it, just like you guys don't like moving Hughes or Joba. But if you honestly think that moving your second rate product for Miguel Cabrera A)is going to get it done and B)isn't going to be beaten by another team is homerism. The Sox, both LA teams, hell even the Rockies could put together a better package than that. There is no way that the Marlins settle for that package. Just like the Sox need to give up either Buchholz or Ellsbury to even get the Marlins GM on the phone, you're going to have to give up one of your two top guns. mahalo
~Chach~

[PR07]

If the Red Sox want to trade Buchholz and Ellsbury for Cabrera, by all means I'd let them do it...that would be a bad trade on their part. A lot of teams could put a better package and so could the Yankees for that matter, but I doubt it will be all that significantly better when the dust settles. Cabrera is a great hitter, but he's eating himself to be a DH which holds less value. I think the days of seeing elite pitching prospects moved for hitters are pretty much over. If teams in the MLB have learned anything, they should be.

[Chach]

It would be a horrible trade and I know Theo won't do it but that is what it's going to take to get Cabrera this offseason. While he may not be terribly cheap anymore, the revenue sharing figures can up the payroll in Florida a bit. The team would have another year to get a permanent stadium situation settled, either in South Florida or elsewhere, and if you are trying to get a new deal then trading one of the best hitters in baseball for table scraps won't help in the confidence building area. You can justify trading him for Philip Hughes, Melky Cabrera, and Alan Horne but you can't justify it for Ian Kennedy, Jose Tabata (however high his ceiling is, he has a long way to achieve it), and other spare parts. If that's the best deal available, they are better of sitting on Cabrera, seeing how his eating habits play out, how their stadium situation plays out, and then move. I don't see his value dipping tremendously unless he has a horrible injury or comes in the size of a blimp. mahalo
~Chach~