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Post#21 » by Pharmcat » Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:10 pm

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This is exactly what I am saying. The Yankees gave Posada a 4 year deal and locked him up until he is 40, they gave Arod a 10 year deal and locked him up until he is 43, and now they are going to beat around the bush and attempt to play games with Rivera? Just give him a 4 year contract and get it over with. As I said, the Yankees can't beat the fiscal responsibility drum anymore, it rings hollow when they have signed both Arod and Posada to way-above market value contracts this offseason. Just sign the man and get this over with, the Yankees made their bed and now they are going to have to sleep in it in the final years of these player's contracts when they are in their 40s, getting paid big bucks and are replacement level players.


but did the did Yanks have any other choice if they wanted to stay competitive this coming year? the answer is a straight no, unless we sold the farm and acquired guys like Salty and Miggy

so if anything, blame the FO for not having replacements in the farm which would have helped our positioning
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Post#22 » by cmaff051 » Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:16 pm

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but did the did Yanks have any other choice if they wanted to stay competitive this coming year? the answer is a straight no, unless we sold the farm and acquired guys like Salty and Miggy

so if anything, blame the FO for not having replacements in the farm which would have helped our positioning


Basically. It's Cashman's fault for not acquiring potential replacements to try to increase our leverage in these negotiations. But of course, Cashman will get a free pass for this just like he does all the time.
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Post#23 » by Slamm Goodbody » Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:24 pm

What we're seeing with Mo right now is the manifestation of several perceived slights towards him and his teammates by management over the years.

First there was his last contract that he and his agent negotiated. At the time, he made it crystal clear that he wanted to return to and retire with the organization - big mistake. He threw away all his leverage and we signed him to a relatively bargain deal, especially considering the money we were throwing around at that time.

Then the Yankees refuse to extend him in the spring. He sure as hell didn't like that and made it known. He gave enough to the team over the years that he deserved to talk money before the season started, and we probably could've gotten off way, way cheaper if we had done so. Of course, the new, fiscally responsible Yankees don't extend players in the spring anymore...

Next we have two major departures from the 90s era dynasty in Bernie Williams and Torre. Torre was really the only manager Rivera has known on the major league level. He was unquestionably hurt not only by the way he was treated in negotiations, but also the way Torre was held on a big hook for the last two years in a situation that was not necessarily his fault.

Bernie, his friend and career-long teammate, was treated very poorly in his negotiations for a new deal and took that as his cue to retire. I think Mo's learned wisely from these situations and wants a long-term deal in case he has an off-year (say, a 4.00 ERA) but still has something in the tank. He doesn't want to be in a situation where he's a non-roster invitee in spring training because he's perceived as being over the hill.

Then we have management insinuating his age is keeping him from the kind of contract he wants. This kind of posturing is common in sports deals, but it isn't endearing to a free agent looking to cash in. Either he's using this for leverage or he really is upset with the Yankees and doesn't care if he stays or goes.

The above shows that Mo now understands this is a business, not a family. Families don't throw their patriarch out the door when they don't get into the World Series or push their legends to the curb because of a new direction (not that I agree with this, just how I could see him thinking). He's getting to the end of the line and he's looking for one last, very big payday. I can't say I blame him, but from the perspective of a fan it is disappointing that we could potentially lose a Yankee legend. In this off-season, anything's possible.
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Post#24 » by Pharmcat » Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:53 pm

if he can find another team to give him the 4th year, id match the offer

but the reality is i highly doubt any1 will offer him 4
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Post#25 » by Pugsley_2491 » Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:56 pm

would he object to a team option for the fourth year?
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Post#26 » by sully00 » Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:53 pm

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Basically. It's Cashman's fault for not acquiring potential replacements to try to increase our leverage in these negotiations. But of course, Cashman will get a free pass for this just like he does all the time.


We are talking about 3 guys who are the highest paid players at their position and are irreplaceable with available talent.

What the hell was the point in paying them all the money over the last 5 years if they could be replaced with some Johnny off the farm?

Who has potential replacements for all of their best players? Who really has any?

On that point, Mo has this team by the balls and he knows it. They should have dealt with him first and they didn't. Now the die is cast, we aren't rebuilding we just blew 325 mil on Posada and ARod. What is another 15 to keep him happy? That said he can't really get 15 per from anyone else but he can get a 4th year for a total of 50 and that could be enough to walk away. So they will have to do something more for him whether they like it or not.
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Post#27 » by rappa » Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:54 pm

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Basically. It's Cashman's fault for not acquiring potential replacements to try to increase our leverage in these negotiations. But of course, Cashman will get a free pass for this just like he does all the time.


Oh right everythings his fault because he didn't trade away the farm to have decen backups. Dude just listen to yourself, your being so irrational its pathetic. The yankees aren't nickle n diming no one. They offered him a contract WELL WELL ABOVE MARKET VALUE, and he wants more. Posada got a 4th year because 1, we need a mentor for our kids were obviously going to bring in when hes too old, and 2 because he can still catch for another 2-3 years and be a serviceable **** dh. Arod is getting 10 years at NOT ABOVE MARKET VALUE. He was making 27+mil for the next 3 years of his contract and his base salary was 25. He's comming off one of the best seasons by a hitter EVER, and hes just going into his prime. Let alone he's going to be making history as a Yankee, seriously MO IS FU-CKING THEM what dont you see
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Post#28 » by nykgeneralmanager » Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:15 am

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Basically. It's Cashman's fault for not acquiring potential replacements to try to increase our leverage in these negotiations. But of course, Cashman will get a free pass for this just like he does all the time.

What other franchise out of the other 29 in baseball has guys ready to replace Alex Rodriguez, Jorge Posada, or Mariano Rivera? Zero. You're making less and less sense as you go on.
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Post#29 » by cmaff051 » Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:17 am

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What other franchise out of the other 29 in baseball has guys ready to replace Alex Rodriguez, Jorge Posada, or Mariano Rivera? Zero. You're making less and less sense as you go on.


Give me a break. A rookie catcher and an elite closer prospect would have given the Yankees all the leverage in the world. It's Cashman's fault for not having alternative options in place for leverage. He screwed up.

Furthermore, The Yankees have no clue how to negotiate contracts at all. It's pretty sickening.
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Post#30 » by nykgeneralmanager » Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:41 am

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Give me a break. A rookie catcher and an elite closer prospect would have given the Yankees all the leverage in the world. It's Cashman's fault for not having alternative options in place for leverage. He screwed up.

Furthermore, The Yankees have no clue how to negotiate contracts at all. It's pretty sickening.

I literally laughed when I read your post. But you're right, and an elite 3B prospect would've helped. Hey, maybe the Twins would be better off if they had a great CF prospect too. Oh, and the same for the Braves. Imagine how much leverage the Brewers would have if they too had an elite closing prospect. What you're saying is common sense, but not realistic. There aren't great catching rookies floating around that Cashman missed the boat on. I can argue they tried landing an elite closing prospect in Cox who has been hit with injuries. Like I said, your point can be made for every single free agent, it's not even something worth discussing. Teams don't say "OMG, Soriano is a free agent in 2 years, lets spend our 1st rd pick on a LF so we have leverage in the contract negotiations."
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Post#31 » by rappa » Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:56 am

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I literally laughed when I read your post. But you're right, and an elite 3B prospect would've helped. Hey, maybe the Twins would be better off if they had a great CF prospect too. Oh, and the same for the Braves. Imagine how much leverage the Brewers would have if they too had an elite closing prospect. What you're saying is common sense, but not realistic. There aren't great catching rookies floating around that Cashman missed the boat on. I can argue they tried landing an elite closing prospect in Cox who has been hit with injuries. Like I said, your point can be made for every single free agent, it's not even something worth discussing. Teams don't say "OMG, Soriano is a free agent in 2 years, lets spend our 1st rd pick on a LF so we have leverage in the contract negotiations."


what are you talking about teams do it all the time, duh! :roll:
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Post#32 » by 34Celtic » Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:18 pm

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Give me a break. A rookie catcher and an elite closer prospect would have given the Yankees all the leverage in the world. It's Cashman's fault for not having alternative options in place for leverage. He screwed up.

Furthermore, The Yankees have no clue how to negotiate contracts at all. It's pretty sickening.


We have an elite closer prospect, his name is Joba Chamberlain. Problem is we're throwing him back in the rotation.
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Post#33 » by VinnyTheMick » Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:28 pm

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We have an elite closer prospect, his name is Joba Chamberlain. Problem is we're throwing him back in the rotation.


I'd argue that we have many good closing prospects in the minors the problem is none of them are ready to make the jump. I think you have to put Joba in the rotation. If last season proved anything to us its that we have to have depth in the starting rotation.
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Post#34 » by VinnyTheMick » Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:31 pm

a little update from the Post

As for Mariano Rivera, there was speculation yesterday he wants a fourth-year added to the three-year, $45 million offer the Yankees made him this week. While there were no signs the Yankees were going to remove the offer, the Yankees aren't likely to go any higher than the deal that makes Rivera the highest paid closer in the game by $4 million. According to a person with knowledge of Rivera's plans, he will accept the three-year deal.
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Post#35 » by Air Canada » Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:38 pm

I think he's eventually gonna accept the original 3 yr contract, hes just trying to get more. The Yankeed better not budge.

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