Rookie pitchers next year?

earthmansurfer · Post #1 » by **earthmansurfer** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:36 pm

Curious, do any of the following three qualify as rookies next year:
Hughes, Kennedy and/or Chamberlin

I know there is an innings limit, just not sure what that is.
Cause, all three would stand a shot at rookie of the year.

Post #2 » by **HCYanks** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:15 pm

Here's the rule:

Determining rookie status:
A player shall be considered a rookie unless, during a previous season or seasons, he has (a) exceeded 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues; or (b) accumulated more than 45 days on the active roster of a Major League club or clubs during the period of 25-player limit (excluding time in the military service and time on the disabled list).

Hughes isn't, Kennedy is. I *think* Joba's still technically a rookie if i'm interpreting that rule right. He only got a month or so of service time before September callups and then another 8 days in the playoffs, if they count that. So he'd be under the time limit and the inning limit.

earthmansurfer · Post #3 » by **earthmansurfer** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:42 am

HCYanks wrote:Here's the rule:

Determining rookie status:
A player shall be considered a rookie unless, during a previous season or seasons, he has (a) exceeded 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues; or (b) accumulated more than 45 days on the active roster of a Major League club or clubs during the period of 25-player limit (excluding time in the military service and time on the disabled list).

Hughes isn't, Kennedy is. I *think* Joba's still technically a rookie if i'm interpreting that rule right. He only got a month or so of service time before September callups and then another 8 days in the playoffs, if they count that. So he'd be under the time limit and the inning limit.

Thanks for the info. Any of these guys have a chance to be ROY. I know it's just an award, but this city needs something after the last few years. (and anything to get over the debacle called the Knicks... ouch).

Post #4 » by **nykgeneralmanager** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:12 am

Joba has a good chance of winning it. He already has everyone won over because of what he did last year. He'll have the wins with this offense and a good amount of strikeouts, so the writers will love those two things when voting time comes around.

TBpup · Post #5 » by **TBpup** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:09 pm

A collegue of mine who follows minor league baseball like no other (he is a Tigers fan) swears that Ian Kennedy will be the best of the Hughes/Joba/IK triumverate and that he will get 13/14 wins next season.

If he produces that type of season, he would have to be a favorite for ROY.

:starwars

Post #6 » by **nykgeneralmanager** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:19 pm

I'm as much of a Kennedy supporter as there is out there, and even I can't say with a straight face that Kennedy will be as good as the other two. His stuff is solid all around with excellent control and command, but his stuff simply isn't "electric" enough as a guy like Hughes, no less Joba. Joba's stuff can be the most electric in the majors if all goes well, similarly to Verlander. I would agree that Kennedy is the most polished, but he doesn't have the potential that the other two have, mainly Joba.

Pharmcat · Post #7 » by **Pharmcat** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:43 pm

kennedy doesnt bring the gas the others do

earthmansurfer · Post #8 » by **earthmansurfer** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:45 pm

The Kandi Man Rocks wrote:kennedy doesnt bring the gas the others do

Good point but on the other hand he "knows" he can't make a mistake like Joba or Hughes, so it might balance out, though Joba is just plain dominating.

I HAVE NEVER SEEN A ROOKIE PITCHER DO WHAT HE HAS DONE.
Minus the meltdown with the BUG incident, the kid was incredible.

Hughes... just wait till he is 100%.

Have we EVER had three pitchers come up with this kind of talent?
I mean Brian Taylor was dominating but Hughes and Kennedy are in his class imo.

Post #9 » by **nykgeneralmanager** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:27 pm

earthmansurfer wrote:Have we EVER had three pitchers come up with this kind of talent?

Forget 3, you'd be hard pressed to find 2. Even if you go through baseball history, I don't think you would find 3 rookie pitchers with the potential that our guys have to all break into the majors at the same time. That's how special the big 3 are for us and that is why Cashman is so hesitant to deal one.

VinnyTheMick · Post #10 » by **VinnyTheMick** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:46 pm

nykgeneralmanager wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Forget 3, you'd be hard pressed to find 2. Even if you go through baseball history, I don't think you would find 3 rookie pitchers with the potential that our guys have to all break into the majors at the same time. That's how special the big 3 are for us and that is why Cashman is so hesitant to deal one.

throw in Horne & its downright crazy :crazy:

Post #11 » by **nykgeneralmanager** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:11 pm

VinnyTheMick wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

throw in Horne & its downright crazy

And McCutchen, who can be crazy good. It is pretty scary what the Yankees have created in the last few years.

Pharmcat · Post #12 » by **Pharmcat** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:28 pm

nykgeneralmanager wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

And McCutchen, who can be crazy good. It is pretty scary what the Yankees have created in the last few years.

isnt he the cat who got banned for taking illegal substance?

plus, i thought he is "B" prospect and not a "A" level prospect?

earthmansurfer · Post #13 » by **earthmansurfer** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:28 pm

Let's ride it out with these 3 kids (for now) and not take on a chance on Santana. He is great on paper but the younguns came up in the system.

There is something special about in house talent. i think it also greatly lowers chemistry problems since they are a part of the team culture in a sense as opposed to being thrown into another organization (which does wonders for many players too). Santana did lose when it counted most, no?

Lets see if we can make history...

Post #14 » by **nykgeneralmanager** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:18 pm

The Kandi Man Rocks wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

isnt he the cat who got banned for taking illegal substance?

plus, i thought he is "B" prospect and not a "A" level prospect?

He was actually suspended because his prescribed drug contained ephedra, so it wasn't steroids or anything like that and was most likely unintentional.

He may not be an "A" prospect, but either are guys like Horne and in a lot of people's opinions, neither is Kennedy. McCutchen has arguably stuff as good as Kennedy, he has a plus spike curveball, a plus changeup (his best pitch) and actually throws 2-3 mph harder than Kennedy. He also has very good command of his pitches. His only issue is that his curve hasn't been very consistent and he hasn't really shown a great ability of going deep into games, which is why he has been considered as a possible reliever down the road.

There is no denying that he can be a starter down the road, but he will have to work on a few things to get there. And if so, HE may actually be our 3rd best young SP behind Hughes and Joba. He doesn't get much recognition because 2007 was his first full season in pro ball, and because of his age (just turned 25) and the suspension right after he was drafted won't help him either. He's the type of guy that people won't notice until he is in AAA knocking on the door of the majors. Before the season started I said I liked him more than Horne and nobody really agreed with me, but I will stick by that as long as he remains a starting pitcher.