OPENING SERIES - Yankees vs Blue Jays (Games 1-3)

Pharmcat · Post #321 » by **Pharmcat** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 2:56 am

TKF wrote:blow rod does it again, I am sorry, but manny is a much better hitter in these situations.. A-rod blows.....

Blow-rod?

ROFL

Pharmcat · Post #322 » by **Pharmcat** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 2:58 am

cmaff051 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Limit his starts, not his innings. 7 innings won't hurt. Who knows what he will do next start. He may only last 2 innings. Let him throw 100 pitches today. We can't abuse the bullpen this early.

its way to early to start being concerned bout abusing the pen

cmaff051 · Post #323 » by **cmaff051** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 3:04 am

The Kandi Man Rocks wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

its way to early to start being concerned bout abusing the pen

That's what Joe Torre said about the pen in April last year... look what happened.

Pugsley_2491 · Post #324 » by **Pugsley_2491** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 3:08 am

cmaff051 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

That's what Joe Torre said about the pen in April last year... look what happened.

Yeah but girardi seems to be distributing the workload evenly among all the relievers so I don't have a problem with it. Torre's problem was that he just picked one to two guys that he 'trusted' besides Mo and latched onto them thinking no one else in the pen was capable. Girardi has done a good job of mixing it up this series and spreading the work. Also, did you notice how Michael Kay said that everyone in the pen has gotten some work in this year.

Post #325 » by **nykgeneralmanager** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 8:09 am

I was at the game tonight and read through some of the comments about the game and have a few thoughts...

As for Hughes being taken out in the 6th, that is on the front office, not Girardi. You can say to limit his starts, but that won't be realistic because at some point in the season, guys like Moose or Pettitte will miss starts most likely. We are thin on starting pitching as it is, we can't put extra work on the shoulders of the veterans.

Also, Hughes didn't throw more than I believe 72 pitches in a game during the spring, so to ask him to throw 100 tonight may have been a bit of a stretch. Just be happy that he looked damn good for the 6 innings he did pitch.

Why are people worrying about the bullpen being overworked? Last year people had as many issues with pitchers being UNDERWORKED as they did overworked. Girardi clearly has a plan to get everyone in the pen work on a regular basis and maximizing their potential contributions...what is so bad about that? If he runs Bruney out there 3 days straight, then u can worry about overworking. Traber for 1 batter, Bruney for 2 batters. Joba for 1 inning, Mo for the save. Who is being overworked here?

On a sidenote, I loved the bunting tonight. Its the type of thing we would all be screaming about last year when Torre would have let Damon swing away. Perfect execution by Damon and Jeter.

Seriously, the ARod stuff just isn't amusing anymore. If I had to really guess, I'd say the only regular that is hitting over .250 is Abreu (and maybe Melky). Its been pretty damn cold the last few days, let these guys get warmed up.

VinnyTheMick · Post #326 » by **VinnyTheMick** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 2:01 pm

nykgeneralmanager wrote:
Seriously, the ARod stuff just isn't amusing anymore. If I had to really guess, I'd say the only regular that is hitting over .250 is Abreu (and maybe Melky). Its been pretty damn cold the last few days, let these guys get warmed up.

Seriously.

34Celtic · Post #327 » by **34Celtic** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 5:25 pm

nykgeneralmanager wrote:As for Hughes being taken out in the 6th, that is on the front office, not Girardi.

No hsit, did you see what happened to those Florida starters since Girardi was in Florida? You're quick to annoint him as the second coming of Jesus and bash Torre just because you feel Girardi manages a bullpen better. Ask Josh Johnson and Anibal Sanchez how their arms are doing.

kNiCk_PriDe · Post #328 » by **kNiCk_PriDe** » Sat Apr 5, 2008 12:37 am

34Celtic wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

No hsit, did you see what happened to those Florida starters since Girardi was in Florida? You're quick to annoint him as the second coming of Jesus and bash Torre just because you feel Girardi manages a bullpen better. Ask Josh Johnson and Anibal Sanchez how their arms are doing.

Its not Girardi, but ar organizational problem with the marlins.....Look athe all the great pitchers that have come out to florida...All had imense talent and went on to get hurt.....Look at Pavano, Brad Penny and Beckett have faced injuries for years...A.J Burnett....Seriously Burnett and Beckett could have been all time greats....Beckett has been good the past couple of years, and will always be remembered as a post season hero, but he could have done alot more....I'm not surprised Sanchez and johnson are hurt.....these players for some reason or another arent prepared physically before they reach the majors...If one or two gets hurt, its a fluke, but when all get hurt, there has to be a problem

Post #329 » by **nykgeneralmanager** » Sat Apr 5, 2008 2:25 am

34Celtic wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

No hsit, did you see what happened to those Florida starters since Girardi was in Florida? You're quick to annoint him as the second coming of Jesus and bash Torre just because you feel Girardi manages a bullpen better. Ask Josh Johnson and Anibal Sanchez how their arms are doing.

If the organization does not put limits on the starting pitchers, then why the hell would Girardi not allow them to throw 180-200 innings? Thats completely on the front office for not taking care of their starters.

cmaff051 · Post #330 » by **cmaff051** » Sat Apr 5, 2008 2:41 am

Just admit it NYK, you are ready to annoint Joe Girardi a saint after 3 games while throwing Joe under the bus after 10 great seasons. You love to focus on Torre's bullpen management but then you have cognitive dissonance about Girardi's checkered history with young starters...

Post #331 » by **nykgeneralmanager** » Sat Apr 5, 2008 7:09 am

So you are seriously telling me that it is the manager's responsibility to limit a young pitcher's inning? I don't see any logic in that.

Nobody is annointing anybody a saint or throwing anybody under the bus, but few would argue that idea that Girardi is a better in game manager than Torre. Would you?

cmaff051 · Post #332 » by **cmaff051** » Sat Apr 5, 2008 5:44 pm

nykgeneralmanager wrote:
Nobody is annointing anybody a saint or throwing anybody under the bus, but few would argue that idea that Girardi is a better in game manager than Torre. Would you?

I would. How many World Series has Joe Girardi won? Has he been to the playoffs 12 times out of 12 years in his Yankee career? Only then can we compare.