Yankees still looking for SP...

Lconte17 · Post #1 » by **Lconte17** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 2:36 pm

Do we consider Paul Byrd? Ben Sheets?

I would totally Sign Sheets if he was able to pitch this year. I dunno about Byrd, he seems to be a HR happy kind of pitcher.

Can anyone think of any other Starter we might target?

mccannd · Post #2 » by **mccannd** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 3:05 pm

There will be many pitchers put on waivers this coming month. Pitchers like Arroyo, Padilla, Batista. We will be able to get a #5 pitcher if we want one.

It amazes me how many folks criticize the Yanks for not getting Washburn etc. Look at what Detroit paid for Washburn and look at what Seattle expected from the Yanks. They wanted to start with either Joba, Montero or Jackson.

Teams ask for much more from the Yanks and Boston. Boston paid a lot for Martinez. The upside for the lefty is an ace and Masterson is at least a #3. I think both teams will be able to get veteran starters for very little over the coming weeks.

On a similar point I think Cleveland actually did very well yesterday despite the claims of their fans.
From Philadelphia they got their likely 2010 starting 2nd basemen, an immediate quality backup catcher in Marston, a #3 or higher starting pitcher in Carrasco and a possible future closer. Philadelphia's minor league system was top heavy and they got three of their top five and four of their top ten; and they got two exceelant pitchers from Boston.

Dr. Detfink · Post #3 » by **Dr. Detfink** » Sat Aug 1, 2009 6:47 pm

Who is buttsore about the Yanks not getting Washburn? I'm upset the Phillies got Cliff Lee for nothing. Don't blame the fans for wanting more than Chase Wright, Daryl Rasner, Ian Kennedys, etc the last couple of seasons.

With 2 Worlds Series rings and potentially a third, the first decade of the new millenium is clearly in the favor of the Boston Red Sox. For the first time in close to 100 years kids will remember the dominance of Red Sox over the Yanks.

Clearly after the trade deadline, Boston has re-established the upper hand.

If you're content with the Yanks going with just 2 pitchers (none of which have fared well against a line up without Victor Martinez), so be it.

Me, I was hoping that CAshman wouldn't say, "wait till our Shelly Duncans, Ian Kennedys develop..." whenever that is. In the meantime continue to pay $$$$ a ticket. In TV land that works, in actually going to games it doesn't.

Of course, the Yanks are going to be asked for more...they are the Yankees and this is billionaire welfare.

True, Washburn who will be a FA and asking for 15 million a season from the Yanks in the off-season. However, it is stunning to the see the Yanks outsmarted by the White Sox for Peavy and they couldn't even raid the Pirates of Zach Duke.

cmaff051 · Post #4 » by **cmaff051** » Sun Aug 2, 2009 2:05 am

Cashman's ultimate plan during the trade deadline must have been to f up the roster so much that we fall into second place and get waiver priority over the Red Sox.

He couldn't give up one of his meager prospects for Garland? Bannister? Stop overvaluing your prospects, Brian!

Pharmcat · Post #5 » by **Pharmcat** » Sun Aug 2, 2009 4:11 am

cash lack of activity is killing us now

just fire him

other than spend money he isnt too good at anything else

jeff1624 · Post #6 » by **jeff1624** » Sun Aug 2, 2009 8:43 am

People, stop overreacting.. geez..

I'm sure we'll land a starting pitcher in the upcoming days. We have the 3rd best record overall, stop acting as if we're 10 games behind the wildcard.

I also find it laughable how some of you are saying that Cashman is stupid for not acquiring a pitcher, how the hell do you guys know what was going on before the deadline. If the only way we could have acquired a pitcher was by overpaying, I'm glad we didn't.

Post #7 » by **nykgeneralmanager** » Sun Aug 2, 2009 4:49 pm

Why was Cashman seemingly obligated to make a splash during the trade deadline? You don't know what KC wanted in return for Bannister, we see in every rumor that teams ask for a ridiculous amount from us. We are always quick to say "thats ridiculous, no way!" but now we are going to say "how can Cashman not get that guy?"

We don't have to answer to Boston's moves just for the sake of doing so, did you people forget that we just added Sabathia, Burnett, and Teixeira in the offseason while Boston was idle? Boston needs starting pitching way more than we do, 3 out of ever 5 games they have to pitch Penny/Smoltz/Buchholz! Yet people are up in arms that we didn't find a replacement for Mitre? What gives Boston the upper hand there? We have a better lineup, a deeper starting staff, and a better back end of the bullpen.

Post #8 » by **sully00** » Mon Aug 3, 2009 5:51 pm

The only thing you can fault Cashman and the organization for at this point is bringing back Wang and sending Hughes to the bullpen. It wouldn't fix everything, obviously Hughes has been great in the pen and he may be pushing the limit on innings just like Chamberlain but at least then you are using Mitre to spell those guys instead of every 5th day. But there is no point in trading prospects for a guy who doesn't have a chance to take a postseason start away from Andy Pettite.

Jake Peavy would not approve a trade to the Yankees, he wanted to live in the mid west and certainly wanted nothing to do with the AL East he doesn't even want to be in the AL.

Post #9 » by **PR07** » Mon Aug 3, 2009 6:34 pm

Seattle wanted Austin Jackson for Washburn, so consider yourselves fortunate Cash didn't pull the trigger.

Hopefully, we can get someone through waivers...but either way, this team should make the playoffs pretty handedly with or without Mitre as the 5th starter; the division might be a different story however.

NickAndersonsBack25 · Post #10 » by **NickAndersonsBack25** » Tue Aug 4, 2009 2:33 pm

My concern is Joba. He has an innings limit. That will leave us with 3 starters.

Do we switch Hughes and joba? Hughes was struggling as a starter.

We need joba in our playoff rotation. Should we be skipping some starts NOW?

Do we say screw it and unleash him? Most scouts say that caused fatigue the next I

I really can see him hitting 150-160 innings as a starter than the team saying ok go home to Nebraska to drink a drive, try to keep the tirades at a min. i

Post #11 » by **nykgeneralmanager** » Tue Aug 4, 2009 3:42 pm

NickAndersonsBack25 wrote:My concern is Joba. He has an innings limit. That will leave us with 3 starters.

Do we switch Hughes and joba? Hughes was struggling as a starter.

We need joba in our playoff rotation. Should we be skipping some starts NOW?

Do we say screw it and unleash him? Most scouts say that caused fatigue the next I

I really can see him hitting 150-160 innings as a starter than the team saying ok go home to Nebraska to drink a drive, try to keep the tirades at a min. i

The Yankees have already begun getting creative with Joba. He was supposed to pitch tonight, but has been pushed back to the series opener with Boston on Thursday night. Expect to see this a lot more.

Hughes is staying in the pen for the rest of the season, Joba will remain a starter and be in our playoff rotation. It's funny, all the crap about putting Joba in the pen because he isn't an ace "yet", well he leads our starters in ERA...even our $200 million off-season acquisitions who haven't even been bad. Joba is a stud. They wouldn't just unleash him either because they have invested too much time into the plan for Joba, so they would never throw all of that away.

NickAndersonsBack25 · Post #12 » by **NickAndersonsBack25** » Tue Aug 4, 2009 6:19 pm

nykgeneralmanager wrote:
NickAndersonsBack25 wrote:My concern is Joba. He has an innings limit. That will leave us with 3 starters.

Do we switch Hughes and joba? Hughes was struggling as a starter.

We need joba in our playoff rotation. Should we be skipping some starts NOW?

Do we say screw it and unleash him? Most scouts say that caused fatigue the next I

I really can see him hitting 150-160 innings as a starter than the team saying ok go home to Nebraska to drink a drive, try to keep the tirades at a min. i

The Yankees have already begun getting creative with Joba. He was supposed to pitch tonight, but has been pushed back to the series opener with Boston on Thursday night. Expect to see this a lot more.

Hughes is staying in the pen for the rest of the season, Joba will remain a starter and be in our playoff rotation. It's funny, all the crap about putting Joba in the pen because he isn't an ace "yet", well he leads our starters in ERA...even our $200 million off-season acquisitions who haven't even been bad. Joba is a stud. They wouldn't just unleash him either because they have invested too much time into

the plan for Joba, so they would never throw all of that away.

I had some typos in that I can not see him hitting 160 innings and shutting him down. I see him getting moved to the pen before then. He's too good not to have during the stretch. We also need a 4th starter. The problem with letting him go over 160 innings is a lot of scouts say it will cause fatigue the next season and the rays are an example of that. You really can't overextend your future.

Im not saying move to the pen bc he's not a legit starter.