imo the Yanks have a front office split

Pharmcat · Post #1 » by **Pharmcat** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:38 am

if you've read the news lately, i think its pretty obvious what is going on

levine vs cashman, and one of them has to go

right now, cashman wants jones, levine wants damon (lets see who wins, this is per mattews on espn.com)

right b4 this, levine supported getting soriano but cashman didnt...so then levine negotiates soriano deal and gets fleeced by boras (gave all the power to the player with those player options, those shouldve been team/performance options imo) AND the team lost the pick....whereas it turns out Cashman wanted pavano, and if pavano was to come, he was going to work a sign and trade to get him (this is per olney), a S and T that he shot down last week in regards to soriano b/c its a legal thing that is hard to do. so even if he is against signing soriano at closer money, he still shouldve tried to work out a S and T to keep the draft pick. to me its obvious, in his protest he didnt do it

bottom line to me is that there is a split between levine and cashman, and one has to go.

Dr. Detfink · Post #2 » by **Dr. Detfink** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:52 pm

Sign and trade? To WHO?!? The biggest problem Pavano had, his asking price was too high. He was only giving a discount to the Twins. Let's not forget Cashman was paying Pavano more then Mike Mussina before Mike renegotiated his last contract.

Buster Olney is a Red Sox apologist and a Vermont country boy, bumpkin. When he was covering the Yankees in the late 90s, he HATED NYC. So I take a lot of what he says with a grain of salt.

The baseball network has the BEST insight and journalism.

Goodbye Cash.

rappa · Post #3 » by **rappa** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:56 pm

I'm not quite sure there is a split but from what I'm told from people I still know working there, the yankees liked soriano a lot, just didn't want to allocate all that money to a set-up man.

Cashman is there to manage the payroll / acquisitions and run the daily operations. He makes suggestions to ownership and they can either OK or DECLINE. Ownership wanted to spend and cashman advised against it but in the end, 99% of other teams would love if their owners wanted to spend like Hal and Hank.

To me this doesn't show a split, but rather a devotion just like their father had to putting out the best product on the field for us fans in order to win a championship. If this contract doesn't hinder future spending, the only loss is a draft pick which could be re-couped in many different ways. It's not like the yankees have a barren farm system like the astros. We have a TON of lower level talent and basically this deal is like trading down 20 spots to the #51'st pick for rafael soriano. I'd do that trade any day of the week.

I haven't read anything about levine wanting damon, can you link me to tha please? I'd be pissed if that was true, last thing we need is another lhh dh bat. smh

Pharmcat · Post #4 » by **Pharmcat** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:56 pm

Cashman had every right to be angry with that deal, and I would be surprised if he is not more than a little uncomfortable with Levine's growing influence in areas that are traditionally the realm of the GM. (Right now, in fact, they are on opposite sides of the fourth-outfielder debate, with Cashman an Andruw Jones man and Levine in favor of bringing back Johnny Damon. It will be interesting to see who wins that one.)

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/ ... id=6038302

Pharmcat · Post #5 » by **Pharmcat** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:00 pm

Dr. Detfink wrote:Sign and trade? To WHO?!? The biggest problem Pavano had, his asking price was too high. He was only giving a discount to the Twins. Let's not forget Cashman was paying Pavano more then Mike Mussina before Mike renegotiated his last contract.

Buster Olney is a Red Sox apologist and a Vermont country boy, bumpkin. When he was covering the Yankees in the late 90s, he HATED NYC. So I take a lot of what he says with a grain of salt.

The baseball network has the BEST insight and journalism.

Goodbye Cash.

pavano was offered a 1 yr 10 mill deal with incentive....a 1 yr deal is an ok stop gap investment

but cash would still have lost a pick, but you can work out a trade with the team losing the player where you keep your pick but give them a player from the farm (and olney was saying that was his plan here)

a move Cash totally blew off for soriano, calling it a legal thing that is hard to do

my thing is that even if he was against soriano, he still couldve tried to do the trade to save the pick he was so adamant on not losing, to me its obvious he didnt do it in protest.

Dr. Detfink · Post #6 » by **Dr. Detfink** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:58 am

In theory, that sounds good...for the Yankees but no athlete is letting the power go from their hands.

First, Pavano is not accepting 10M from the Yanks because all of these athletes have egos even in a trade to a division rival where he'll have to face the Yanks, Red Sox, O's and Jays vs. pitching against the Royals, Tigers, and Indians...even the White Sox offense compares to Boston & the Yanks.

Second, it's fu*kin' Carl Pavano. What a class jerk.