core 4 is all about done

Pharmcat · Post #1 » by **Pharmcat** » Tue Aug 6, 2013 2:39 am

posada retired
Mo retiring this year

Andy is done, getting killed these days
jeters leg breaking down

brilliant run, time for a new core to develop

Dr. Detfink · Post #2 » by **Dr. Detfink** » Tue Aug 6, 2013 4:29 am

That's really what this is all about. How Stick and Bob Watson put together a team that generated one of the greatest winning traditions and restored the swagger on a franchise known for being the best.

Thought Jeter's Home Run on the first pitch coming off the DL was the moment given to a season short on positive memories. I still hold it against Hank, Cashman and Levine for drawing a line in the sand against Jeter for ONE down year during a career where he not ONCE bringing off season distractions to the team.

I still think next season, Jeter will put together a great final year to that contract. Right now, he's rushing to get back and that's BAD for the team as a whole.

TKF · Post #3 » by **TKF** » Tue Aug 6, 2013 2:29 pm

Pharmcat wrote:posada retired
Mo retiring this year

Andy is done, getting killed these days
jeters leg breaking down

brilliant run, time for a new core to develop

I agree, 5 rings, including a 3 peat, could have been a 4 peat if not for that bloop single vs the diamondbacks..

7 WS appearances, numerous division titles.. Just glad I was alive during this run. It was fun, but now it is time to rebuild..

Bye to tex.. he was a bust
Bye to A-rod, he is a distraction.

Time to move in some youth, find a stud, not sure if cano, who is a very good player, is that "guy" who can lead this team going forward..

Vides990 · Post #4 » by **Vides990** » Tue Aug 6, 2013 3:01 pm

Dr. Detfink wrote:I still hold it against Hank, Cashman and Levine for drawing a line in the sand against Jeter for ONE down year during a career where he not ONCE bringing off season distractions to the team.

Lol, why? Think of how much worse off financially we'd be then we are now if we gave him his 20+ mill he wanted. Bad enough he got 15, hes barely worth 10......

Dr. Detfink · Post #5 » by **Dr. Detfink** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 8:37 am

Vides990 wrote:Lol, why? Think of how much worse off financially we'd be then we are now if we gave him his 20+ mill he wanted. Bad enough he got 15, hes barely worth 10......

You never screw over a legend. Bad omen. The Red Sawx know that all too well. Derek Jeter is going into the Hall of Fame with ridonkulous credentials. Even at his age and hobbling stints he had a more memorable return from the DL than Alex.

There's no signal to rebuild with the Yanks. That's what irritated me. Cashman didn't want to let the Yanks tank. He made the Soriano deal, hoping this team would compete for the second wild card and that would suck in some ratings. That's fool's gold because it keeps the Yanks in limbo.

Vides990 · Post #6 » by **Vides990** » Wed Aug 7, 2013 12:38 pm

Dr. Detfink wrote:
Vides990 wrote:Lol, why? Think of how much worse off financially we'd be then we are now if we gave him his 20+ mill he wanted. Bad enough he got 15, hes barely worth 10......

You never screw over a legend. Bad omen. The Red Sawx know that all too well. Derek Jeter is going into the Hall of Fame with ridonkulous credentials. Even at his age and hobbling stints he had a more memorable return from the DL than Alex.

There's no signal to rebuild with the Yanks. That's what irritated me. Cashman didn't want to let the Yanks tank. He made the Soriano deal, hoping this team would compete for the second wild card and that would suck in some ratings. That's fool's gold because it keeps the Yanks in limbo.

I don't know man, we can't keep overpaying just to overpay. Jeter wasn't worth what he wanted and that would just be compounding another mistake on top of another one. Lol, a memorable return? He hit 1 home run and keeps getting hurt, he's barely even played......

Agree with your second paragraph completely....he should have traded Cano.

Dr. Detfink · Post #7 » by **Dr. Detfink** » Thu Aug 8, 2013 10:03 am

Well up until that injury, I have to say Jeter was earning that contract way more than the oft-injured A-Rod & Teixiera. Still is even on the DL, has more home runs than Alex. So by "over pay" I dunno what you mean because he was breaking all-time records left and right after the Yanks re-signed him. It can be argued maybe the pressure of 3,000 hits and playing injured was behind that off year.

Yanks can't rebuild. Like the Knicks they want you to pay TOP dollar. You need brand names for that. The big problem is: 1. Farm has been very in-effective in filling holes. 2. Teams are now re-signing their young players long term, far cheaper.

Vides990 · Post #8 » by **Vides990** » Thu Aug 8, 2013 12:34 pm

Dr. Detfink wrote:Well up until that injury, I have to say Jeter was earning that contract way more than the oft-injured A-Rod & Teixiera. Still is even on the DL, has more home runs than Alex. So by "over pay" I dunno what you mean because he was breaking all-time records left and right after the Yanks re-signed him. It can be argued maybe the pressure of 3,000 hits and playing injured was behind that off year.

Yanks can't rebuild. Like the Knicks they want you to pay TOP dollar. You need brand names for that. The big problem is: 1. Farm has been very in-effective in filling holes. 2. Teams are now re-signing their young players long term, far cheaper.

Agreed, Jeter certainly earns his money moreso then the other guys, but thats also because he is paid less and produces less. While he can still maintain a quality average he's never been a home run, rbi guy and with his very suspect defense you can't pay him 20 mill a year, thats overpaying. Personally I feel 15 is too, his stats tend to fall more in line at around ~8 mill per yr. I dont think breaking records means giving him double his worth.

You're second point is exactly why the Yankees have to rebuild, teams now re-sign their young guys long term bc of the crazy amounts of revenue sharing. How are the Yankees going to sign new big names when none are available? I'm fine with the Yanks getting below the 189 number so their tax is less and they can sign guys again, but who exactly will they be signing? There's no one good coming available......and if the Knicks have become the Yankees model, they're more screwed then ever.

Post #9 » by **TNBT** » Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:50 am

I agree with what seems to have been the main underlying point of this thread. Firstly, we HAVE to rebuild. There is no ifs, ands or buts about it. This team is old, struggling, and as has been said, there's not much that the farm has to offer us at this point.

When it comes to contracts, I'm really not too concerned with Jeter's deal. The guy is an out and out legend of the game, and of this team. He has done so much for this team over a lot of years that he deserves to be treated well as he winds down his career. The bigger problems from my point of view are the contracts of Teixieira, A-Rod and Sabathia. Those guys were all great players at their best, but they aren't worth anywhere in the same realm of existence as what they are making at this point. It will probably be damn near impossible, but getting out from under these deals specifically (there are others that aren't too good either) would go a long, long way in helping this team rebuild by signing and/or trading for young talent and also through the draft. As I said though, I really can't see anyone lining up to take any of those contracts off our hands.

With that said, we will likely be forced to simply fill in some holes around the edges while we wait for those contracts to expire. However, I think the biggest decision of the near future will be do we or do we not re-sign Cano? Given the way we've gone with contracts lately, chances are it will go one of two ways: we'll re-sign him for big money and he'll break down or just start mailing it in, or we will let him walk and he'll go to another team and give them 10 more years or so of All Star level ball.